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Topic: PAYNE/COLEMAN Families (Read 1850 times)
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Rick
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Sue
Good point, but it does look like Raydon to me on the census return, and it wouldn't do any harm to check there first. 
Rick
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newbe_nz
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Hi Everyone
Thanks so muh for the info. I shall do a check on that.
Newbe
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newbe_nz
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Thank you for correcting what may be mistakes in the census.
I have had a look at the Suffolk surname list and the Parish one there but am unable to find Kelsale among them.
Any ideas?
Newbe
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newbe_nz
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Ok thanks for that Rick
Newbe
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newbe_nz
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Hi Everyone,
I have just received Edward Coleman's marriage cert in the post. It has Hannah's maiden name as PAYNE. Father George PAYNE. Hannah was a widow when she married Edward.
I also have William Edward Coleman's birth cert. I asked them to check all info including the page number as I was not sure of it.
Year 1847, June Q, Vol 3 Page was 88. I thought it was 85.
Newbe
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danal
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Everyone
I am new to Rootschat (as of yesterday!) and am also researching the PAYNE/COLEMAN family of Lowestoft. However, my research has PAYNE spelt PAIN. I think it is too much of a coincidence for there to be two different families with the same Coleman links.
I have a WILLIAM COLEMAN, (bc 1830) Carpenter, who married HARRIET PAIN in the Parish Church of Lowestoft in 1854. On their wedding certificate it gives William's father as JOHN COLEMAN (DECEASED) and his profession as BRICKLAYER.
I am wondering if my WILLIAM could be the younger brother of EDWARD. However, I am aware that these names are common and they could have been related but not siblings.
I have found a JOHN COLEMAN (bricklayer) married to MARY ANNE at Wickham Market, Wilford in the 1841 census, but there is no mention of Edward or William amongst the children. However, Edward would have been 17 by then and may have left home.
With so many Colemans and Paynes (Pains) it all gets very complicated and I don't want to make assumptions and mistakes.
However, I can trace my links back to William and Harriet Pain's son, William Thomas Coleman, with certainty and William Thomas later moved to CLERKENWELL with his wife and family. This also seems a coincidence if there is no relationship.
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suffolk*sue
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Hallo danal and welcome to Rootschat.
How about the following.
1841
HO107/1030/6 - Lowestoft
Folio 69, Page 15
Dukes Street
William MEEKINS = 60 - hairdresser
Sarah MEEKINS = 60
John COLMAN - 14 - not born in county
Susannah COLMAN - 12
William COLMAN - 10
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From the Suffolk Marriage Index.
John COLEMAN
Sarah MEEKINS
9th May, 1824 = Lowestoft
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From Boyds marriage index.
1795 / MEEKINGS WM / PALMER SARA/ LOWESTOFT / SUFFOLK
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suffolk*sue
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Possible burial
John COLMAN
Date of burial: 25 Feb 1830
Age at death: 25
Calculated year of birth: 1805
Place of burial: Lowestoft
St Margaret
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Wm MEEKINGS
Date of burial: 9 Jan 1854
Age at death: 76
Calculated year of birth: 1778
Place of burial: Lowestoft
St Margaret
Sarah MEEKINGS
Date of burial: 2 Feb 1842
Age at death: 64
Calculated year of birth: 1778
Place of burial: Lowestoft
St Margaret
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robweldon
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Hi Newbe
I have just read this post of yours about Payne and Coleman, dated May last year, and thought I could send you a bit of stuff that you may not know about the families.
On the 1841 census it shows Hannah as a widow. This isn't exactly right as her husband Samuel was in Australia at the time. He was tried for sheep stealing in 1836, convicted, and transported. He arrived in March 1837, and spent the rest of his life in Hobart, where he died in 1883. He remarried in 1849 and had a further 7 children.
This means also that Charles born 1839 cannot possibly be a child of Samuel.
I'm sorry if you have heard all of this before, but please let me know if you would like any other info. I would be interested in details of Hannah's parents and her second marriage if you have them please.
cheers, Rob
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newbe_nz
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Hi Rob,
Thanks for adding this to the thread. I had no idea about this at all.
I shall PM you my email address so we can get in contact and learn more about this family
Newbe
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Coppell - England 1734 to now, New Zealand - 1853 to now
Buckby - England, Australia, New Zealand - 1630 to now
Smith New Zealand
Parker -England - New Zealand - 1800 to now
Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
Reynolds, England- 1800 to now
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newbe_nz
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Hi Everyone
I am new to Rootschat (as of yesterday!) and am also researching the PAYNE/COLEMAN family of Lowestoft. However, my research has PAYNE spelt PAIN. I think it is too much of a coincidence for there to be two different families with the same Coleman links.
I have a WILLIAM COLEMAN, (bc 1830) Carpenter, who married HARRIET PAIN in the Parish Church of Lowestoft in 1854. On their wedding certificate it gives William's father as JOHN COLEMAN (DECEASED) and his profession as BRICKLAYER.
I am wondering if my WILLIAM could be the younger brother of EDWARD. However, I am aware that these names are common and they could have been related but not siblings.
I have found a JOHN COLEMAN (bricklayer) married to MARY ANNE at Wickham Market, Wilford in the 1841 census, but there is no mention of Edward or William amongst the children. However, Edward would have been 17 by then and may have left home.
With so many Colemans and Paynes (Pains) it all gets very complicated and I don't want to make assumptions and mistakes.
However, I can trace my links back to William and Harriet Pain's son, William Thomas Coleman, with certainty and William Thomas later moved to CLERKENWELL with his wife and family. This also seems a coincidence if there is no relationship.
Hi Danal,
My Edward Coleman parents were John Coleman and Rachel Unknown as I do not have her maiden name. I have not done much on this part of my family since last year. I am not sure when they were born or when they died.
Hope this helps
Newbe
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Purcell, - Australia
Coppell - England 1734 to now, New Zealand - 1853 to now
Buckby - England, Australia, New Zealand - 1630 to now
Smith New Zealand
Parker -England - New Zealand - 1800 to now
Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
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newbe_nz
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From the marriage ceetificate of Edward Coleman and Hannah Payne
Edward's father is John Coleman
Hannah father is George Payne
Should have added this ages ago but never got there until now
Sorry about that
Newbe
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Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
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newbe_nz
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Have found the following birth on findmypast, but don't know if hes your one.
Edward Coleman, born 1824, Gibralter, 43rd regt. Vol. 1357, Page 20
I have no idea how you would order a cert for someone born abroad, so maybe someone else has some ideas.
Does anyone know how I would order this birth record above for Edward COLEMAN
I need to find out if he is mine
Newbe
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Purcell, - Australia
Coppell - England 1734 to now, New Zealand - 1853 to now
Buckby - England, Australia, New Zealand - 1630 to now
Smith New Zealand
Parker -England - New Zealand - 1800 to now
Lilley,Lillie, Lilly - England -New Zealand - 1800 to now
Dykins - Wales, England, New Zealand - 1752 to now
Reynolds, England- 1800 to now
Newdick -Norfolk and Suffolk England , Australia, New Zealand - 1700 to now
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