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Gerard A. Murphy
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I have a Maggie O'Connell arriving New York born 14 January 1880 Newmarket Co.Cork, Ireland baptised Margaret O'Connell.
I think she arrived in New York 1 Oct 1898 with her sister Mary. They were going to Massachusetts.
Now I know Maggie had a nephew Timothy Cremins/Cremin born 1901 Brosna Co.Kerry, Ireland and on 20 August 1920 he is going to his Aunt Margaret Newton at 9 Garland Street Boston Mass arriving at NY.
Now I have check the 1920 Census and there is a Margaret Newton married to Estes at this address to my excitement.
And lone behold in 1900 there is a Maggie O'Connell servant to the Newton family. She obviously married one of the sons of the family.
I have found Estes and Margaret in the 1930 Census.
And now I am trying to find Margaret death record and most importantly her Obituary which should tell me vital information about the other siblings who I know so little about. Only thing is I have no way of known when she passed away.
Any help appreciated with this quest! Margaret parents were Timothy O'Connell & Ellen Clifford. O'Connell may have no O sometimes just listed Connell.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk North West Cork: Barry Breen Clifford McAuliffe Murphy O'Connell O'Keeffe O'Shea Scully Mid to East Kerry: Bastable Brosnan Cotter Cremins/Crimmins Curtin Dennehy Drury/Drewey Flynn Galvin/Gallivan Murphy O'Connor O'Sullivan Reidy/Ready Savage Limerick: Drury/Drewery Reidy/Ready |
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KathMc
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Hi there. To start with, there is a tree on Ancestry with Estes and Margaret on it. It is from the Newton branch. I always take what info I find here with a grain of salt, but it is a way to contact others working on the same families. If you don't have access, I'd be happy to send a message to this person.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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KathMc
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That's too bad. I spent a little time trying to google the names in the 1930 census, to see if any of them came up. Maybe there are some newspapers online somewhere that could help. Estes is certainly an bit of a different name.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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Gerard A. Murphy
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Yes I have found few social security deaths for a Margaret Newton but cant be sure they are my Margaret unless I start to order all of them which would cost a lot.
She was born Margaret O'Connell 1880 and was alive in 1930. Most likely she passed away 1950-1970 time period.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk North West Cork: Barry Breen Clifford McAuliffe Murphy O'Connell O'Keeffe O'Shea Scully Mid to East Kerry: Bastable Brosnan Cotter Cremins/Crimmins Curtin Dennehy Drury/Drewey Flynn Galvin/Gallivan Murphy O'Connor O'Sullivan Reidy/Ready Savage Limerick: Drury/Drewery Reidy/Ready |
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KathMc
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Might be cheaper to try to get obits for the Maggie Newton's that you have found in the SSDI. Try contacting libraries in the towns where they died. Often, if you give the info you are looking for and politely ask what the process is, they will send email you the obit.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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KathMc
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This is interesting, but I was trying to find Estes and Margaret on the 1910 census, as you have found them in 1900, 1920 and 1930. I think I have found them, but they are listed as Samuel and Mary Newton. I know it seems odd, but everything seems to fit:
Samuel Newton, 39, born CT, parents born ME, works in sashes and blinds
Mary, 29, born Ire, 5 children, 5 living
Florence, daughter, 9
Charles, son, 7
Annie, daughter, 5
Clifford, son, 2
Mandi, 1 month
All the kids born Massachusetts. I can' really read that last name, but that is how it is transcribed by Ancestry. It could very well be Anita.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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Gerard A. Murphy
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Yes indeed I had looked at this family before and it all fits except for the parents being Samuel and Mary maybe a mistake or Samuel was his middle name etc. Mary can often be used instead of Margaret.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk North West Cork: Barry Breen Clifford McAuliffe Murphy O'Connell O'Keeffe O'Shea Scully Mid to East Kerry: Bastable Brosnan Cotter Cremins/Crimmins Curtin Dennehy Drury/Drewey Flynn Galvin/Gallivan Murphy O'Connor O'Sullivan Reidy/Ready Savage Limerick: Drury/Drewery Reidy/Ready |
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KathMc
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I don't know either. It is very odd, and Samuel and Mary don't appear in the 1920 or 30 census. Maybe they used a different names for a while because the family wasn't happy with Estes marrying the servant girl. It is all very interesting.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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Gerard A. Murphy
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That is an interesting point.
Estes full name was Estes Hoe Newton I think and the Newton family had being in America back to 1750 I had a look at that family tree in ancestry.com.
So a well to do established American family and the son marry's a servant girl from Ireland cant have gone down too well with the Newton family.
Also I have noticed that none of the children were named after Margaret's family.
Except for Clifford who was named after Ellen Clifford Margaret's mother. But using Clifford as a first name is a bit posh!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk North West Cork: Barry Breen Clifford McAuliffe Murphy O'Connell O'Keeffe O'Shea Scully Mid to East Kerry: Bastable Brosnan Cotter Cremins/Crimmins Curtin Dennehy Drury/Drewey Flynn Galvin/Gallivan Murphy O'Connor O'Sullivan Reidy/Ready Savage Limerick: Drury/Drewery Reidy/Ready |
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KathMc
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I looked briefly through the SSDI for Margaret and Estes's kids, and found a couple possibilities for the sons. Have a look, and maybe you can get obits for them. It could lead you to descendants who might have answers.
Margaret is the kind of person who in my family I would get obsessed with finding an answer to. Not a direct ancestor, but a challenge to find what became of her, and a bit of an interesting story, with her marrying "up."
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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Gerard A. Murphy
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Hi Kath thanks for your input
I was very excited the other day when I realised that Margaret was my great grand aunt. A series of putting two and two together. She arrived 1898 with her sister and I was not sure if the Margaret in the census in 1900 was her. But then in 1920 her nephew Timothy Cremins was going to his aunt Margaret Newton and then it hit me it was her with the Newton's in 1900 she married one of the sons. And the address Timothy was going to was the same as where Estes and Margaret were living.
Could be interesting might be photos of Margaret some where as well as she married UP. Most of the old family photos I have are from those that went to US and Australia as camera's were not really popular in rural Ireland.
Margaret's sister that went with her in 1898 was Mary she returned to Ireland and married Jeremiah McAuliffe they are my great grand parents.
Jeremiah McAuliffe and Mary O'Connell are in 1910 Census of Mass, USA. They returned to Ireland in 1910. Bit weird here again they were married 1903 in Ireland and it appears that Mary was back and fort to America and then Jeremiah went over in 1908. After 6 years of marriage they had their first child Martha in 1909. I wonder how many couple went 6 years without a child back then and also maintained a long distance relationship!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk North West Cork: Barry Breen Clifford McAuliffe Murphy O'Connell O'Keeffe O'Shea Scully Mid to East Kerry: Bastable Brosnan Cotter Cremins/Crimmins Curtin Dennehy Drury/Drewey Flynn Galvin/Gallivan Murphy O'Connor O'Sullivan Reidy/Ready Savage Limerick: Drury/Drewery Reidy/Ready |
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