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pyghtle
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Arthur Firth born 1872
Francis Firth born 1889
I am trying to trace decendants of the above and thought maybe I would start with the census records of the brothers.
I am thinking that Francis would be 22 in 1891 and possibly married, Arthur would be 19, so could still be at home.
Mothers name Elizabeth Ann Firth
Father Francis G Firth..I believe that he was a draper.
They lived in St Alban Street Leeds in 1881.
It is difficult because Firth is such a common name.
Many Thanks
Brenda
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Tebbs... Leicester, Gainsborough, Lincoln, Hunslet,Harehills, Leeds
Daniel....Hyde Park Leeds, Paddington London
Russell...Harehills, Leeds
Hope ..Harehills (Leeds)
Coop..Leicester, Birmingham
Payne..Leicester, Blackpool
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brer
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Hi
Arthur's not at home in 1891 -
21 Church Lane (1 workshop, house and few shops), Pudsey, Yorkshire - RG12/3656/51/10
Elizabeth A FIRTH H M 55 Leeds, York
Mary E FIRTH D 24 Milliner Leeds, York
Sophia FIRTH D 21 Leeds, York
Martha FIRTH D 17 Leeds, York
Edith S FIRTH GD 3 Kirby Overblow
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BRADBURY, BAYLEY, WINTERBOTTOM, HOLMES, BRUCE, ROBINSON, ANDREW (All Cheshire/Lancashire area.) HOYLE (Yorkshire), GRAY (Bedford), HORLEY (Bedford), RENSHAW, WILDE, MEREDITH, BRIDGEHOUSE and SUGDEN (Cheshire/Lancashire) BATE, BATES, HEARSUM (Essex), HALLOWS, LANGFIELD, HAGUE, TRAVIS, COOPER, ALLEN, MACE (Cheshire, Lancashire) Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Francis G FIRTH (dad) is at a boarding house in London -
3 BEdford Pl, St George Bloomsbury, London - RG12/209/46/43
Francis G FIRTH M Boarder Company's Manager Leeds, Yorks
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BRADBURY, BAYLEY, WINTERBOTTOM, HOLMES, BRUCE, ROBINSON, ANDREW (All Cheshire/Lancashire area.) HOYLE (Yorkshire), GRAY (Bedford), HORLEY (Bedford), RENSHAW, WILDE, MEREDITH, BRIDGEHOUSE and SUGDEN (Cheshire/Lancashire) BATE, BATES, HEARSUM (Essex), HALLOWS, LANGFIELD, HAGUE, TRAVIS, COOPER, ALLEN, MACE (Cheshire, Lancashire) Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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pyghtle
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Thanks Brer
Interesting...Edith S Firth Grandaughter, must be daughter of Francis, have just ben looking at Yorkshire BMD to see if I could see her birth, also ancestry, but no luck.Wonder where husband Francis is, he was still alive because I have him on a death certificate as being present at a death in 1897.
Is there any mention in the 1901 census.
Thanks a lot
Brenda
PS just got yours about Francis senior...thanks
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Tebbs... Leicester, Gainsborough, Lincoln, Hunslet,Harehills, Leeds
Daniel....Hyde Park Leeds, Paddington London
Russell...Harehills, Leeds
Hope ..Harehills (Leeds)
Coop..Leicester, Birmingham
Payne..Leicester, Blackpool
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suzard
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1901
32 Edinburgh st
Armley leeds
Francis Geo Firth Head M 62 Adertising agent Leeds
Annie E wife 64 leeds
Sophia daughter U 31 leeds
Edith S granddaughter 13 Kirby Overblow yorks
RG13 4214 79 18
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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suzard
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Possibly Edith -granddaughter is illegit child of Sophia or mary???
and it looks like mother Eliabeth Ann is Annie Elizabeth in 1901 -it looks like the same person
Where did you get the idea Francis George was a draper ?
1871 he was a commercial traveller Stay and Corset merchant (and had more children)
1881 Boot and shoe merchant
1891 Company manager ( boarding in london -possibly on company business?)
1901 Advertising agent
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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1891 the address is "1 northrop Terrace -house and shop, Pudsey" -it comes after 21 Church lane
Suz
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possibility for Arthur in 1901
40 Primrose Hill
Pudsey Yorks
Arthur Firth head M 29 leeds
jane wife 23 Wetherby Yorks
Fred son 4 Stannington Yorks
mary White sister in law 9 Wetherby Yorks
RG13 4188 114 7
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pyghtle
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That sounds like him suzard, and I have another male lead from that info.... Fred
Will follow that up tomorrow, must turn in now, we are an hour in front of you here in Spain. I keep trying to wind up and go to bed, then I get another message and cannot resist opening it.
No idea where I got the Draper bit from,  will have to look back through my papers....but not tonight!
Thanks to you both for your quick replies will check tomorrow for anything new 
Brenda
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Tebbs... Leicester, Gainsborough, Lincoln, Hunslet,Harehills, Leeds
Daniel....Hyde Park Leeds, Paddington London
Russell...Harehills, Leeds
Hope ..Harehills (Leeds)
Coop..Leicester, Birmingham
Payne..Leicester, Blackpool
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suzard
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Goodnight, Brenda,
There will be something for you to wake up to !
I think this maybe where you got the "draper" idea from
1871
5 Lower Brunswick St
leeds
Francis G Firth head M 33 Commercial traveller Stay and corset merchant
Eliabeth A wife 35
John W son 7
Annie E daughter 5
mary E daughter 4
Francis G son 2
Sophia daughter 1
all b. Leeds
RG10 4552 124 36
and here is son John W in 1881
Market St
Halifax Yorks
George Dyson U 28 Draper's shop man Thornhill Yorks
mary E lees U 23 Milliner Southampton
Constance cadman U 29 Domestic servant Salop
Charley Hodgson U 18 Draper's apprentice bedford
JOHN W FIRTH U 17 Draper's apprentice Leeds
William Hinchcliffe 16 Halifax
RG11 4400 11 16
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pyghtle
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'Morning' Suz
Well... I knew nothing about son John, I only really started my info about Elizabeths own family from 1881 although I know herown history from birth.
I remember when I was in bed last night where I got the draper thing from...I have a copy of Elizabeths fathers will and Francis is mentioned and his occupation is stated as being as 'Salesman and linen draper' I think corsetry is all tied up with drapery!
The thing is I am trying to find out if there is a line from this family still in Leeds, so need to follow the male line of one of the sons, and probably my best bet is the youngest son Francis junior
but he does not seem to be around...wonder if he died?
Will carry on delving later today.
Thanks again
Brenda
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Tebbs... Leicester, Gainsborough, Lincoln, Hunslet,Harehills, Leeds
Daniel....Hyde Park Leeds, Paddington London
Russell...Harehills, Leeds
Hope ..Harehills (Leeds)
Coop..Leicester, Birmingham
Payne..Leicester, Blackpool
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Hi Brenda,
Corsetry is not really tied up with drapery - a draper woud sell material, cotton. From the census it looks like Francis (senior) was a salesman first and foremost and dealt in various types of goods. maybe the time he was a salesman and linen draper enabled him to find a draper's apprenticeship for son John W.??
Suz
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