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Topic: COMPLETED....................BDM Lookups pls COULTER / CRAWFORD / STEVENSON etc. (Read 447 times)
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allycat
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Hello Rootschatters. Not sure if I have put this posting in the right place, but here goes. NB I do not have any bdm certs to back up this information, only family notations from my now late mother-in-law (b1936NZ-d2008OZ). Some information has been gleaned from rootsweb.
Looking for marriage of William COULTER (1873 occupation is listed as Farmer says another family researcher) and Mary Moore CRAWFORD.
I know they had a son Robert John COULTER (occ Coal Miner) who our family thought was born in either Belfast or Dublin, Ireland but I am positive he born Scotland because he first married 15 Jul 1870 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland to Martha WILSON and it seems that she died in childbirth or soon thereafter with daughter Mary Moore WILSON born 20 Jan 1873 Kilwinning, Ayr and she herself also died later on in January.
Robert COULTER then married 31 Mar 1873 Ayr, Irvine Dist. Free Church of Scotland Jessie Kor STEVENSON born 1843 Ayr, Irvine died 12 Mar 1922 Stirling, Falkirk, Glenochiel, Scotland, daughter of David STEVENSON and Jane(t) STRACHAN who had married 28 Aug 1829 St. Quivox.
Robert COULTER died 1879 Holytown, Scotland of heart disease. Somebody must have his death cert.
Robert COULTER & Jessie Kor STEVENSON had three children, and it was the eldest daughter Mary Jane COULTER born 1875 Glasgow that emigrated to New Zealand and married into the EADIE clan. They had 13 children, some still living but of a great age. Their 9th child Martha COULTER was my late mother in law's Mum.
Two years after Robert COULTER dies, Jessie then marries again 20 Nov 1881 Old Monklands, Coatbridge, Whifflets, St. Mary's Rc Church, Scotland Wililam BARCLAY and they had a daughter Mary.
I know this is rather long-winded, but can anyone help me by providing real bdm references/registration numbers to give my family tree a legitimate feel?
Thanks in advance,
Alison
from Queensland, Australia.
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JustJean
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Hi there
The 1871 Scottish census surely indicates your Robert John Coulter was born in Ireland. The household is found in the district of Holytown living at New Row. He is as you further indicated a coal miner
Reg Number: 625/2
Reg District: Holytown
Civil Parish: Bothwell
County: Lanarkshire
The household members are:
Martha Coulter, age 21, wife, b. Glasgow, Lanark
Robert John Coulter age 35, head, b. Ireland
Agnes Messie age 3, visitor, b. Kilwinning, Ayr
Yes somebody does have his death certificate..... www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk does!..... and for a small expense you can view and download images of all the Scottish documents you've listed in your query.
His death certificate is easily found on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk indexed exactly as you've said:
1879 COULTER ROBERT M 34 HOLYTOWN /LANARK 625/02 0020
On this document his parents are not named as deceased at the time of his death but no death for his mother using maiden and married name searches is found in Scotland.
All indicators so far are strongly suggesting that he truly was from Ireland.
Good luck with your searches!
Jean
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allycat
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Dear Jean, Hi back at you. Thank you so much for putting me on the right track re country of origin of Robert John Coulter. It is so nice to have facts right in the family tree.
Um, not knowing the area in Scotland, how can I find out where he and/or even his 1st wife and young child might be buried? I'm guessing that COULTER is as common a surname as SMITH I suppose.
Regards,
Alison
from Qld Australia.
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Hi Alison
Being from the US I'm at a disadvantage to know likely burial grounds. Perhaps someone else can better assist on this angle.
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Alison
Marriage Cert 1870
On the 15th day of July in Rutherglen
Free Church of Scotland
Robert John Coulter age 25 Coal Miner (bachelor)
Father William Coulter Agricultiral Labourer (deceased)
Mother Mary Coulter MS Crawford (deceased)
married
Marth Wilson age 21 Domestic Servant (spinster)
Father William WIlson Coal Miner
Mother Mary Ann Wilson MS McFarlane
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Death Cert 28 April 1861 Bonhill Dunbarton:
Mary Coulter age 42
married to William Coulter Labourer
Father John Crawford deceased
Mother ________ MS Black
witness husband William Coulter
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The 1861 Census shows William and Mary Coulter living in Bonhill
#71
William Coulter Head age 46 Labourer (Printerworker) born England
Mary Coulter Wife age 42 born Argyleshire, Strachine
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From Robert John Coulter's marriage cert to Martha Wilson in 1870, both his Father William Coulter and his mother Mary Crawford Coulter were already deceased. The William Coulter you refer to as a farmer in the 1873 census is not the right one as yours has already passed by then.
If the census is correct then your William Coutler was born in England.
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Birth Cert Mary Crawford 11 Oct 1814
Father John Crawford
Mother Christian Black
Born 11 Oct christened 15 Oct Strachur, Argyll
Other Children of John Crawford and Christian Black:
Jessie Crawford born 01 Sep 1817 Strachur
The only marraige cert I could find for John Crawford and Christian Black was
14 Jul 1798 in Greenock , Renfrew.
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1871 Census Bothwell Holytown
You have in a previous post
Child of Robert John Coulter and Martha Wilson
Mary Moor Coulter
20 Jan 1873
Kilwinning
Father Robert John Coutler Coal Miner
Mother Martha Coulter MS Wilson
Married 1870 July 15th Rutherglen
Death Cert for Martha Coulter 2 Feb 1873
Martha Coulter age 20
Married to Robert John Coulter, Coal Miner
Father William Wilson Coalminer
Mother Mary Wilson MS McFarlane
Robert John Coulter Present
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Mary Muir Coulter Death Cert 15 Feb 1873 Irvine
Mary Muir Coulter 1month
Irvine
Father Robert John COulter Coal Miner
Mother Martha Coulter MS Wilson
deceased
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Dear JustJean, Thank you for your help.
Dear LL, You are a marvel. Much information was gleaned from your post. I have just been sitting here with the calculator working out all the dates. It is sad to realise that the mother Martha COULTER nee WILSON died so young at age 20, then her 3 week old baby died about a fortnight later.
Completed, thank you,
Alison.
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I found a surprise for you. Robert John Coulter's wife Jessie was actually Jessie Kennedy, and she herself was a widow
31 Mar 1873 Irvine
Rober John Coulter age 28 Coal Miner Widowed
Father William Coulter Farmer
Mother Mary Moore Coulter MS Crawford
married
Jessie Kennedy age 31 Muslin Sewer Widow
Father David Stevenson Coal Miner dead
Mother Janet Stevenson MS Strachan dead
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Jessie Stevenson First Marriage
25 Dec 1863 Irvine
William Kennedy age 21 Miner Single
Father James Kennedy deceased
Mother Jane Kennedy MS Aird
married
Jessie Stevenson age 22 Household Servant Single
Father David Stevenson Coal Miner deceased
Mother Janet Stevenson MS Strachan deceased
Children for William Kennedy and Jessie Stevenson
Jessie Kennedy 5 Jul 1872
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Dear LL, My gosh you really are a marvel. Thanks so much, Alison.
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