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Keziahemm
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Hi sherlock2
How do you know he was born Withington 1866?
Do you have his birth certificate? If so, who were his parents?
What was his occupation on marriage certificate?
The more information the easier to find
Regards
Susan 
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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sherlock2
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Hi Susan,
thanks for your interest. I have his m. notification 1905 where he is res. Withington since birth, aged 39, ag lab. So gestimating b. abt 1866, unless he 'embellished.' There's no b. reg. in Hereford dist. for that year, so I need to look back from then, logically.
m. cert. same info. with father Thomas(dec). Not found his d. yet, but it might give a clue to area.
d. reg. 1910 aged 44 verified.
So you see the mystery. Thus far I can't find any probable match in the census. 
H.
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lambert: middlesex,welsh valleys
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Keziahemm
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Hi
The only likely one I can find his age is out by ten years 
1871 RG10/2683 folio 18 page 7 - Henry Langford 15
1861 RG9/1817 folio 153 page 13 - Henry Langford 6
In 1861 father is Thomas Langford born Knighton Radnorshire, mother Mary, by 1871 Thomas had died.
If you don't have access to census will post details.
Information on certificates is not always accurate, only as good as the person who gives it!
Who are the witnesses to the marriage?
Will dig deeper later.
Susan
ps my husband has Langfords from Knighton in his tree, quite difficult to track down as there's a number of them with same christian names
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« Last Edit: Friday 23 May 08 14:13 UTC (UK) by Keziahemm »
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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sherlock2
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Hi Susan, yes I found this one earlier, but discounted him at the time because of the age difference. If it is him, maybe he decided to lose a few years when the lurve bug hit him at the turn of the century!
I think it is worth looking closer at this family, particularly at where they went after Thomas died. Were they still there in 1871, I don't have access currently, but would like to know the details.
Do you know which year Thomas died?
There is a Mary in 1881 actually in Withington, with a Henry 27, which matches near enough, and George 19, Albert 14. I wonder if that's her.
( The m. witnesses were Reece Rogers and Rose Emily Green)
I know what you mean about same names, an offshoot to the story is that this Henry's son had a cousin William, who's father was Henry, who's father was William. How it all fits together we don't yet know.
Who knows, if it turns out your husband is related to this group, we could be distant cuzzies.  Mine's a lager, cheers. 
Susan, thanks for your time and trouble,
regards, H.
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lambert: middlesex,welsh valleys
stewart: middlesex, surrey
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langford: herefordshire, knighton
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Keziahemm
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Here's 1871
RG10/2683 folio 18 page 7
Shucknell (?) Hill, Yarkhill
Mary Langford Head Wid. 50 Employed on Farm b: Herefordshire Withington
Henry Langford Son 15 Farm Labourer b: Herefordshire Withington
Thomas Langford Son 13 - b: Herefordshire Withington
George Langford Son 11 - b: Herefordshire Withington
Sarah Langford Dau Unm 23 - b: Herefordshire Withington
Charles Langford Grandson 4 - b: Herefordshire Withington
Albert Langford Grandson 6 mo - b: Herefordshire Withington
Freebmd has this death
Thomas Langford aged 62 Dec. qtr. 1866 Cleobury Mortimer vol 6a page 343 (He's too old and wrong area )
This one is a better candidate from Freebmd although the age is out yet again
Thomas Longford age 61, 1870 June qtr., Hereford vol 6a page 348
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Susan
We have the confusing Langford names William and Samuel, they didn't make it easy for us did they
Keep losing internet connection, had a thunderstorm earlier could be something to do with it.
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Herefordshire: Mytton Lincolnshire: Ingham Northamptonshire: Knight (Welford); Linnell; Gaudern; Staffordshire (Brierley Hill, Kingswinford): Wood; Somerset: Bailey; Lewis Warwickshire: ( Alcester, Henley in Arden, Aston Cantlow): Lewis; Casey/Keasey Warwickshire, (Birmingham suburbs) Knight; Lewis Yorkshire (Bradford): Ingham Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Keziahemm
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1861
RG9/1817 folio 153 pages 13 and 14
West Lydiat, Withington
Thomas Langford Head Mar 34 Master Drainer b: Radnor Knighton
Mary Langford Wife 36 - b: Hereford Bodenham
William Langford son 15 Farm Servant b: Hereford Withington
Sarah Langford Daur 13 Scholar b: Hereford Withington
Henry Langford son 6 - b: Hereford Withington
Thomas Langford son 4 - b: Hereford Withington
George Langford son 4 m - b: Hereford Withington
Difference in Mary's age 1861 to 1871 
Susan
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Keziahemm
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1851
HO107/1977 folio 352 page 16
West Lydiatt, Withington
Thomas Langford Head Mar 20 Ag. Lab. b: N.K.
Mary Langford Wife Mar 32 - b: Hereford Bronham (?)
William Langford son - 6 - b: Hereford Withington
Sarah Langford Daur - 3 - b: Hereford Withington
Charles Langford son - 4 mo - b: Hereford Withington
Dont' think they knew how old they were, according to this Thomas would have been 14 when William was born 
Susan
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The snooper
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Hi,
There is the following birth.
Date: 21/01/1845
Name: LANGFORD WILLIAM
Father: THOMAS - LABOURER
Mother: WILLIAMS MARY
Area: WITHINGTON
Could this be your man - seems to fit with the 1851 census...
Contact me off line if you want more regarding siblings etc.
The Snooper
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Surnames being researched
FLORIDA/ANSTEE - Anywhere in UK,
YOUNG - Somerset and S Wales,
CLUCAS - IoM and London,
BROOKS - Somerset and London,
MOULD - Northants,
EVEREST - Sussex,
CHARLES - S Wales,
CROSBY - London,
JAQUES - York,
FLETCHER - Welsh borders,
MAGGS - Somerset,
LAWRENCE- Pembroke,
PREECE - Herefordshire,
TAUBMAN - IoM,
CRIDLAND - Somerset,
BENGOUGH - Herefordshire,
BARTRAM - Notts and Sheffield
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sherlock2
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Hi Snoop, thanks for the look-up, that is the family I've been looking at, but not sure if it's the right one yet
If you look back at my original thread, the mystery man I'm after is Henry b. abt 1866, according to his m. and d. certs. I'm beginning to think that he either used a different name or 'enhanced' his age when he met and married in 1905. If you have the time, a b. and d. for Thomas and Mary, the parents, would help to fill the picture a little.
I'm currently trying to trace the siblings to see if anything fits.
By the way, I see that you have Preece, Herefordshire, in your surname list, are they anywhere near Lugwardine?
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The snooper
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Hi,
I have taken a look for Thomas Langford/Longford and none seem to fit so perhaps he was born out side Herefordshire.
Thomas and Mary (WILLIAMS) also had a Sarah in 1847 and a Charles in 1850 but I cannot find a Henry.
My Preece family are from North Herefordshire around Almeley and Mansel Lacy so probably not the same as yours,
The Snooper
(not to be confused with Snoop) 
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Surnames being researched
FLORIDA/ANSTEE - Anywhere in UK,
YOUNG - Somerset and S Wales,
CLUCAS - IoM and London,
BROOKS - Somerset and London,
MOULD - Northants,
EVEREST - Sussex,
CHARLES - S Wales,
CROSBY - London,
JAQUES - York,
FLETCHER - Welsh borders,
MAGGS - Somerset,
LAWRENCE- Pembroke,
PREECE - Herefordshire,
TAUBMAN - IoM,
CRIDLAND - Somerset,
BENGOUGH - Herefordshire,
BARTRAM - Notts and Sheffield
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sherlock2
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Hi, thanks again, I didn't know Mary's maiden name was Williams, that's great Yes you're right about Thomas, he was born in Knighton, Radnorshire, abt 1827-31, and Mary in, Bodenham, Hfds, abt 1825-29, Remembering their ages doesn't seem to be too important for this family! I think Charles may not have survived childhood since he's not there in1861, and Henry appears in 1855, sadly that's 10 years older than my mystery man, unless...
I think I may have to find this Henry's stats if only to try to eliminate him.
(The Preece names I have so far are Alice b.1883, father James, and John and Florence)
Thank's again for your time and trouble, H
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