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51, 61 census search please
« on: Saturday 24 May 08 07:19 BST (UK) »

i have a John Judge and Sarah Howell marrying in Bethnal Green in 1838. i know for a fact its our family as the father has a distinctive name and its in the record on IGI. ive found christenings for 4 children with those parents. can anyone find them in the above census as Sarah appears to be a widow by '81.
children are Mary Ann b.1854, Sarah Jane b.'51 John b.'47 and William b.'49
all children christened Rotherhithe. in 1881 Sarah living with son John in Rotherhithe.

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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 May 08 07:37 BST (UK) »

1851 H0107/1583 folio 252 page 37 Rotherhithe Surrey


73 Paradise Street

John Judge age 41 Inspector of Police all born Rotherhithe
Sarah wife age 32
John son age 3
William age 1

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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 May 08 07:43 BST (UK) »

1861 Rg9/390 folio 140 page 52 Rotherhithe Surrey

4 Swain Lane

John Judge age 52 Inspector Thames Police Rotherhithe Surrey
Sarah A wife age 42 Rotherhithe
John son age 13 Rotherhithe
William son age 11 Rotherhithe
Sarah J dau age 9 Rotherhithe
Mary A,  E or C dau age 1 Bermondsey Surrey

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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 May 08 07:54 BST (UK) »

As you can see  Mary Ann was born 1860 not 1854 unless one Mary died  are the posts before your family? Because he changed occupation on this census.

1871 RG10/867 folio 63 page 31 Richmond Surrey

John Judge age 62 Waterman Rotherhithe Surrey
Sarah A wife age 52 Rotherhithe
John son age 23 Waterman Rotherhithe
Mary A dau age 11 Bermondsey


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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 May 08 09:02 BST (UK) »

well at 62 he was probably retired from the police force eh.

but im not absolutley certain its the right famiy now.
i thought my John was born in Whitechapel as thats where he, his brother and one of his sisters were christened.
the rest of his family were born in Romford.
so maybe its not the right one.
another thing is i dont know his birth date only his christening date. boith he and Peter were christened on the same day 1814. the one on this census is born 1809

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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 May 08 09:08 BST (UK) »

1881 Richmond Surrey  

Sarah A Judge age 52 dressmaker
John son age 33 Waterman



 There is such a gap between a 1838 marriage and childrens births are you sure it is the correct marriage, do you have the certificate?  



  Sarah is not with John, who is with his brother and family 1841.

1841  Rotherhithe Brixton Surrey H0107/1067/4 folio 8 page 10

Albion Street
George Judge age 40 Thames Police born in county yesMary Judge age 41 no in county
Mary Pulman? age 77 no in county
John Judge age 30 Thames Police rest born in county
Margt Judge age 7
Mary Judge age 5
George Judge age 3


1851 H0107/1583 folio 337 page 41 Rotherhithe Surrey


Albion Street

George W Judge age 48 Inspector Met Police Rotherhithe Surrey
Mary wife age 49 Greenwich Kent
Mary dau age 16 Lambeth
George J  son age 12 Rotherhithe



1861 RG9/390 folio 121 page 13  Rotherhithe Surrey


49 Albion Street
George W Judge age 58  Rotherhithe Surrey Superin Inspector Police
Mary wife age 57  Greenwich
Margaret Hopley or Copley  boarder age 57 Nurse/domestic servant Deptford Kent



1861 Rg9/391 folio 85 page  5 Rotherhithe Surrey


37 Paradise Terrace

George J Judge age 22 Rotherhithe Surrey Dock Clark
Sophia  E wife age Rotherhithe


1871 RG10/645 folio 107 page 10  Rotherhithe Surrey


37 Paradise Street

George J Judge age 32  Rotherhithe  Com Clerk
Sophia E wife age 32 Rotherhithe
George H Judge son age 9 Rotherhithe
Harry G James nephew age 9 Bermondsey
Edith M James niece age 7 Bermondsey
George W James nephew age 5 Bermondsey
Eleanor Ward servant Rotherhithe

George W Judge died 1866 age 61? Rotherhithe Surrey June quarter 1d 416

John Judge died age 66 Richmond Surrey dec quarter 1875  2a 199

I was already typing this when your message came I will look for a John Judge Whitechapel/Romford now. What were his siblings names?

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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 May 08 10:52 BST (UK) »

Could thuis be Peter!! sometimes they christened children altogether so they could have been born years apart. Romford is in Essex Rotherhithe is in Surrey



1851 H0107/1527 folio 355 page 16 St Bride Middlesex

Peter Judge 37 born Whitechapel  Tailor
Jane wife age 23  London
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Emily dau age 2 London
John son age 4 months St Brides London
Julia Baker niece age 14 London
Dinah Baker niece age 12 Shoreditch
Elizabeth Rogerson  visitor  age 17  servant Thames Surrey



1841 H0107/709/2 folio 10 page 12  St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex

Eliza Place  ??

William Judge age 20 Wheelwright Yes born in county
Mary Judge age 25 Dressmaker not born in county
Peter Judge age 25 Tailor yes born in county

Could this be John?


1841 H0107/323/9 folio 67 page 8 West Ham Essex

Forest Place
John Judge age 27 Farrier all born in county
Sarah Judge age 22
William age 4
Susan age 2

Cannot find these 1851




Here are some other Judges born Romford Essex


1841 H0107/330/16 folio 30 page 13 Romford Essex

Eliza Judge age 22 FS born in county

 
1851 H0107/1772 folio 102 page 20 Romford Essex


Coach and Bell Inn High Street
Caroline Judge age 17 servant born Romford

1851 H0107/ 1772 folio 132 page 28 Romford Essex

London Road near Turnpike

Charles Judge age 28 Romford Essex not sure of his occupation
Elizth wife age 29 Finchingfield Essex
Charles son age 5 Romford
Elizabeth dau age 3 Romford
William son age 2 Romford
Joshua son age 1 Romford
Emma Byant servant


1851 H0107/1536 folio 435 page 30 Shoreditch  Middlesex

5 Poole Stree
 1 other family living at no 5 also a Robert Fenton engineer

John B Lee head age 28 Engineer Heaton Syke Yorkshire
Eleanor S Lee wife age 22 Romford Essex
William B son age 2 Shoreditch Middlesex
Sarah D dau age 1 Shoreditch Middlesex

Frances Judge Romford relative age 20 female N K born Romford Essex
George Judge Relative age 15 Clerk born Romford

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1851 H0107/1772 folio 44 page 50 Romford Essex


London Road

Mary C Judge age 53 widow Bethnel Green Middlesex
Sarah dau Judge age 11 rest born Romford
James son age 4

Eliza Herperth?  Lodger age 22 Laundress

Here are some born Whitechapel



1851 H0107/1535 folio 79 page 1 Shoreditch Middlesex

Coffee Shop corner of Walbrook Street

William Judge age 33 Whitechapel Middlesex wheelwright
Maryann wife age 35 Coffee house Keeper Needham ?? Middlesex
Maryann dau 11 Shoreditch
Ellen dau age 8 Shoreditch
Elizabeth dau age 6 Shoreditch


1851 H0107/1545 folio 617 page 25 St Mary Whitechapel

George W Judge age 24 Waterman & ??Man born City of London
Catherine wife age 26 Whitechapel Middlesex Dressmaker
James son age  15 months Whitechapel

1851 H0107/1529 folio 30 page 1 St Martins Ludgate Middlesex

Mary Ann Judge age 30 Whitechapel  servant


1851 H0107/1552 folio 527 page 1 Stepney Middlesex

2 Charles Street
James Judge age 25 Carpenter London
Maryann wife age 24 St Mary Whitechapel
G S son age 2 St Anne Limehouse
L S son age 5 months Stepney

1851 H0107/1543 folio 467 page 17  Christchurch Spitafields reg district Whitechapel

5 Wood Street
Caroline Judge age 55 widow Helper Prepatry School Wandworth
Henry Wil son age 21 Chair and couch maker Whitechapel
Caroline dau age 15 Book folder and server shoreditch


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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 May 08 11:24 BST (UK) »

Here is John from 1841

1861 RG9/296  folio 147 page 14 Stepney Middlesex


 19 Mary Street
 John Judge age 44 Whitechapel  MiddlesexFarrier
Sarah wife age 42 Westham Essex
John son age 19 blacksmith Westham Essex
Next page

Peter son age 17 Westham Essex
Charles son age 13 Leytonstone Essex
George son age 8 Leytonstone
Emily dau age 5 Stratford Essex
Frances son age 2  Stratford

1871 RG10/545 folio 38 page 30 Shadwell London

John Judge age  57 Whitechapel Farrier Whitechapel Essex
Sarah age 51 Westham Essex
Charles G son age 23 Carman Leytonstone Essex
George son age 18 Ale and Stout Bottler Leytonstone Essex
Emily dau age 14 sun shade maker Stratford Essex
Francis son age 12 Stratford
Elizabeth dau age 6 Stepney

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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 May 08 20:30 BST (UK) »

ok woooohhh there
sorry ive been out for the day with my family. never mind these things happen. right the last John on tis page i think is the right john. born Whitechapel. he has a brother called Peter who was also born in Whitechapel. the names Peter and John are in every family in this line guess they are family names from the begining.
disregard the policeman cos im sure its not him now. in fact i think all down unders posts for the last post are correct. i dont know who Caroline is but John and Peters mum was Mary Carolina but then i have her living with her husband in 41 and a widow in 51 still there. in fact i have her whole life mapped out already in census. as far as i know there is no James in the family only a child of 9 in 51.
it could be William as he is with his brother Peter and sister Mary in 1841 age 20 and 25 all unmarried all living together on their own no parents. so that would put him about 30isjh for the 51 census.
there was a frances who was 11 in 41 but i dont know if it was male or female as it didnt say. were those 2 with th other family visiting?  nice call they did have a sister called leanor. so thats 2 more of the original family.
but i dont know of a Charles ...yet.

thats all for today il digest this info and may get back ot it tomorrow.

ta very much


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Re: 51, 61 census search please
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 24 May 08 20:51 BST (UK) »

Check out
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,306178.msg1877361.html#msg1877361

there is a danger of time being spent looking up duplicate info here
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