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liverpool annie
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WWI Australian mass grave site excavation to begin - France One of the biggest burial sites of Australian and British soldiers from World War One in France will be excavated today by representatives of the Australian Army and the Glasgow University's Archaeological Research team.
https://www.lookforward.com.au/Pages/Event.aspx?eid=f180a505-fd34-4b5c-a88d-3388784d8e6b
I saw this today on the Forum ! thought it maybe of interest !! and also Michel went there at lunch time today ..... I'm hoping he'll give us updates !! though he said it was hard to get very close !!
An interesting article this morning from Melbourne's 'Age Newspaper'. According to this report, the head of the Australian Army History Unit makes the surprising announcement that the experts no longer believe the grave contains British soldiers.
RAIN is forecast in Pheasant's Wood, Fromelles, this morning — the kind that creates cloying mud, soaks woollen uniforms and that made the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers a misery during World War I.
But a little water to soften the earth will be welcomed by the team of Scottish and Australian archaeologists who will begin digging deep inside this wooded copse in the battlefields of northern France to see, once and for all, whether the decade-long obsession of Victorian school teacher Lambis Englezos is more than a hunch.
Army historian Roger Lee told The Age yesterday that eight pits — not just one as previously believed — have been found in the area, and are now thought to contain the remains of at least 160 Australian soldiers, but probably no British remains at all. Until now, it was widely believed that this one mass grave, forgotten during the post-war clean-up led by the Germans, contained several hundred bodies, the majority British.
"We think there are eight pits and Australians are buried in at least five and maybe even six … we won't know until we find the remains … and under the agreements we have with the French and the Commonwealth graves commission, we cannot remove remains," Mr Lee said.
"But we now think it is quite likely that there are no British there at all … the story has always been 160 Australians, some 200 to 300 British and now we don't believe there are any. But we do not know who the others are … it really is a kind of mystery story and we won't know till we get in there."
And so at 9.30am, the team of archaeologists and historians armed with shovels and sieves, guided by high-tech equipment, will turn the first sod in a much-anticipated exercise to find some of the souls lost during one of the most ferocious battles to envelop Australian troops.
An estimated 5533 diggers were killed, wounded or taken prisoner on that night of July 19-20, 1916 — one of the worst 24-hour periods for Australians at war.
Of the 1719 Australian diggers who died at the hands of German forces, the bodies of about 170 were never found.
Those soldiers have obsessed Mr Englezos, who embarked on a sleuthing mission eight years ago and slowly gathered evidence to persuade Australian defence historians to mount a case for the search.
Roger Lee was one of the sceptics but has been convinced that the soldiers were undisturbed for nine decades since German troops buried the remains in mass graves.
"(Mr Englezos) found evidence buried behind Pheasant's Wood … yes, the panel was sceptical and I admit I was too. We couldn't believe that they could miss a mass grave in the recovery after the war," he said.
"So we asked Glasgow University to do a survey last May, and they came back and said the evidence was clear. There are men buried there and the scatter patterns and other evidence show that there has been no disturbance."
This week, finally, Australia will know.
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Hi Annie, I know of this, it was on the news here. I am keeping a close watch as both my husbands gr Uncles were at Fromelles, one was wounded, the other captured. I have a lot of information on them.
Thanks for letting us all know. 
Margaret
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Please scan all pics at 300-600 DPI for restoration purposes, thankyou.
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Here are some photographs taked today at Phaesant Wood (Fromelles)
it's totally forbidden to approach the site.
Michel
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Forbidden area !
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Thank you for the photos Michel. I don't know if Annie told you but there is another thread on the same subject here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=307028.new#new
Perhaps you will know the answers to some of these questions?
It looks like a lot of this area is just fields - why do they only have three weeks to dig this site?
Do you think they will be given more time to look for more remains?
The photos I have seen show some quite new houses very close to the site. Is it possible that some of these may be built on some of the pits?
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Hello Ruskie,
sorry for my late answer..
I think you can get some interesting informations about "Phaesant Wood" in having a look on this link :
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=91592&st=0
I will be tomorrow morning at a "press point", maybe I can learn more... if yes I will share with you.
Michel
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Thank you Michel
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Looking forward to hearing more about this from Michel - it is a very moving story!
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