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shelagh2
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I'm trying to find a marriage between Richard Smith and Ann Stuart in order to try and find Ann's father.
a bit of background:-
the only marriage I can find on freebmd is Richard Smith to an Ann Scott or Stott at Chesterfield December quater 1862. This date seems right as I think I have found Ann on the 1861 census as an unmarried 18 year old servant at Mosboro and Eckington (sadly no longer at home) and their eldest child was born abt 1865 according to 1881 census.
Unfortunately I can't find Ann's birth either , according to census entries she was born at Handsworth Woodhouse, Yorks about 1840/41 (41 in 1881).
my query is:-
does anyone know if the records on freebmd are transcripts from original certificates and if so do you think someone could have mistranscribed Stuart as Scott or Stott?
Hope this is clear, if not please ask and I'll try to clarify
Thanks
Shelagh
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The Newfster
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They are transcripts of the GRO Index - not the actual Certificate.
You might try the actual Registry office involved - their submissions would have been sent to the GRO to be rolled up into a National Quarterly Index.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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The Newfster
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another angle - if you know Richard's Father's name and occupation - is to order that particular Cert, but make it contingent on matching Richards Father's name .....
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« Last Edit: Wednesday 28 May 08 08:05 BST (UK) by The Newfster »
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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CaroleW
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Hi Sheila
I have checked the GRO image for the 1862 marriage and Ann's surname is definitely SCOTT
However - before you can check for Ann's birth etc you need to fully establish her maiden name to ensure you also have the right marriage. You could buy a copy of one of their childrens birth certs which will give you that info
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spendlove
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Hi,
There is something wrong with the marriage partners for Marriage December Q 1862
Chesterfield 7b 929
of Richard Smith.
On Free BMD they are listed as
Ann Newton
Ann Stott
Ann Scott
Richard Smith.
There should be 2 men and 2 women listed, checking all the entries on the Ancestry
Scans all the entries for the 3 Anns appears to be correct, although Ann? in Stott could
be something else.
Would only obtain this certificate from the Chesterfield Office.
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Spendlove
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CaroleW
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Hi
Ann may have been married previously although it would be very unusual to find both surnames on freebmd - more usual on local BMD
I have checked the GRO image for Stott and there it is - same reference under both Stott and Scott
There are many entries on freebmd where there is an uneven number of male/female entries
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shelagh2
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Many thanks for all your comments and help
f.y.i. I have the birth cert of one of the children and it is definitely Stuart.
I think I'll have to send for the marriage cert and add some comments re Richards father etc etc. At least I'll know one way or the other.
Does anyone know how to order a cert fromChesterfield?
Regards
Shelagh
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shelagh2
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forgot to say.
is the GRO index also a transcription? and possibly wrong?
just thought it was odd having an Ann Scott and Ann Stott married at same time same place
but getting the certificate will prove it as I mentioned before
Thanks to all again
Shelagh
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CaroleW
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Hi
Just to add some info - example below
Ann Stuart marries Joe Bloggs
Joe Bloggs dies
Ann Bloggs marries Richard Smith
However - maiden name on Smith children's birth cert would be Stuart as that was her true maiden name
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Forthefamily
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Chickadee......
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I have a widow who remarried and on the birth cert for her children in the new marriage, it gave her new married name, her previous married name and then her maiden name.
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CaroleW
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Hi Mab
What period was that? It was very dependant on the registrar and given the period involved here - who knows?
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Chickadee......
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It was Lancashire in 1873........very helpful 
I recently got a death certificate from 1949 that really surprised me. I ordered it under the known married name as it was indexed and when it arrived it was in another name plus her married name. It turned out she had divorced her first husband....and remarried. Something no one knew. I guess it all depends on who reports the information or who takes the info.
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shelagh2
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Just to let you know I've just had a look for another marriage first for Ann Stuart and can't spot anything.
I can't see any Ann Stott on the Derbyshire 1861 census so I still wonder if the GRO index may be wrong.
I know the lack of Ann Stott on the census doesn't prove anything as when I posted before re Ann Stuart on the 1851 census no-one spotted her.
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Shelagh
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My 4x grandmother Sarah b.1754 Notts.
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Chesterfield register office is on New Beetwell St, Chesterfield
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The Newfster
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There are many entries on freebmd where there is an uneven number of male/female entries
due often to mistranscribed page numbers ...... if it isnt an even number (2 couples, or 4 couples pre mid-1850s) the someone is missing, and presumably they took the vows .... 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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