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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #30 on: Friday 30 May 08 18:21 BST (UK) »
Hi  Smiley these things have been on my mind also.
The more I look at what I have come up with the more the possibility looks like I may still be with the wrong family.
So as soon as the marriage cert arrive we will know who these people were and if I have the right family  Undecided

Catch you later  Wink

Regards George
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #31 on: Friday 30 May 08 19:22 BST (UK) »
Personally, I think you are probably wrong - looking at the census stuff but who knows  Huh I am enjoying this search though- it is intriguing.
Sometimes too when we look back people  get transposed in generations etc. Looking at the Cornwall 'evidence'  your Alfred may be either the son of James/Jane/Mary born earlier than thought or the grandson of the same James/Jane born in the same year as you think.
Have you got the marriage certificate of Alfred and Elsie re father's name; occupation of both Alfred and father and even witnesses?
I know you said he was a widower so the marriage on Free BMD between Afred E and Elizabeth Matthews may give more info in that certificate.
As you say- let's wait.
I was also thinking though that your father in law would know if he had half brothers/sisters but looking at the ages of the Chapple/Matthews children they would be almost adults when the later children arrived.
Keep in touch  Cheesy
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 19:01 BST (UK) »
Hi George,

any news or further developments yet?

cheers
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 19:16 BST (UK) »
Hi  Smiley

Nothing yet re: marriage cert.

Should be here tomorrow.

I have not done much more to this history as taken a break to do my own family line.

Will let you know what turns up when the cert arrive

Regards George  Wink
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #34 on: Friday 06 June 08 19:02 BST (UK) »
Well you were right and  I'm wrong. Sad

The marriage cert arrived today re: James CHAPPELL and Emma SMITH.

1867 in the Parish of Milton (Huh? cant read other words) in the County of Kent

Feb 9 1867 James CHAPPELL 25 Bachelor, Laborer, residence at time of marriage Milton. Father William CHAPPELL Laborer.
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Emma SMITH 20 spinster,residence at time of marriage Milton. Father George SMITH Laborer

In the presence of G CHAPPELL (cant make out if its George)
and May Ann CHAPPELL

Married in the Saints Church (I think thats what it says) after banns by William English.

Well thats it. Now must start the hunt once more.  Tongue
 
Will let you know what I find.

Best wishes George  Wink
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #35 on: Friday 06 June 08 19:13 BST (UK) »
Hi George

At least now you know your on the right family and wont find out that 6/7 months down the line you realise the family you spent searching is the wrong one..its not a nice feeling as they become part of you and you "get to know them" and giving them up isnt easy..

Jane
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #36 on: Friday 06 June 08 19:28 BST (UK) »
Oh dear- one of many things that happen in this pursuit we follow.

Looking back over this correspondence - and as they often say- start with what you know.

Did those names from the Chappell/Matthews marriage mean anything to your father in law - mind you - they would be half siblings to him I think  Huh
(I am a bit lost now possibly)

What about the certificate of Afred and Elsie - again thought that would only say father James - but the address may be useful and the witnesses. I do feel that with all this research you must be very close now.
Keep in touch when you decide your next move / get a result.

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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 08 June 08 15:25 BST (UK) »
Hi
I now restarting this family tree of my wifes am looking any info on a SMITH family.

The head of the family was George SMITH a laborer
who had a daughter called Emma SMITH her age on the marriage cert dated 1867 was 20 so she would have been born around 1846/7

The SMITH family came from Milton in Kent. So any info or links to this family would be a great help to me.

The CHAPPELL family all come from the St Ives Cornwall area and I know that James and Emma moved to Cornwall from Kent and had a son called Alfred Edward CHAPPELL, who married a Elise SPENCER and I know Alfred was a widower when he married Elise.

My father in law John CHAPPELL is the son of Alfred and Elise.

Thanks for all the input on this hunt is been a great help.

Regards George  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: Sunday 08 June 08 16:31 BST (UK) »
Hang on  Grin

this is a bit of a coincidence here- I'm not quite understanding all this - are you saying that the ALfred E or Alfred and James etc -from Zenner etc are really nothing to do with you  Cry

Now we are looking for James and Emma from Milton. In which case they were still there in at least 1891 and with no Alfred E which would discount your Alfred E  Huh
Have you got the marriage certificate of Alfred E to Elsie/ Elise ?

Also if you are now discounting all the Cornish Chappells as stated then you probably need a new thread- even though this one was Surrey and not Kent.
It all seems to be a great mix up.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #39 on: Sunday 08 June 08 17:25 BST (UK) »
Here we go  Tongue

Yes I have the marriage cert for Alfred Edward CHAPPELL

He married Elise Spencer in Penzance 10 Oct 1928 they were both living in St Ives Cornwall. His father was James Woolcock Chappell.

Alfred age 41 was a widower when he married Elise.

James CHAPPELL and was Alfred's father but I am not sure of the mother of Alfred.

I am at a total loss on this, my father in law tells me that his father was Alfred Edward Chappell and his mother was Elise Spencer (I have the marriage cert) and that his Grandfather was James Woolcock Chappell how was married to a Emma Smith (I have the marriage cert) at some point.

With this thread I am looking for any info on Emma SMITHS family.

Things have gone a bit silly with all the Chappell names. I just need to try to marry up the James CHAPPELL with the Chapel's in Zennor but I don't want to BARK up the wrong tree once more.

And my father in law cant help with any names of his family as he cant remember much more than what he  has told me

At some point James Chappell moved from the St Ives area to Milton  and married Emma.

Thats all I have at the moment.

Trying to match up all the CHAPPEL, Chapel and Chappell is the next part of the puzzle

Yes it a GREAT mess

George
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 08 June 08 20:25 BST (UK) »
Oh it is a mess George  Shocked
I would not be too bothered re variations in spellings.

James Woolcock Chappell was baptised 1829. Evidence IGI- extracted birth - parents James Chapple and Mary.

James Chappell 25 yrs married Emma Smith 1867 - father William Chappell - evidence - marriage certificate in your possession. Therefore this James Chappell was born in 1842.

They can't be the same person.
1851 HO107; Piece: 1627; Folio: 303; Page: 4
James Chaple 9 yrs born Milton
1861 RG9; Piece: 528; Folio: 182; Page: 7
James Chapell 19 yrs b Milton

If I were you, I would send for the marriage certificate for:

Alfred E Chappell 1901 3rd quarter Penzance vol 5c pg 448
and compare this Alfred's father with Alfred E who married Elise. (and the address and the witnesses perhaps).

By the way who witnessed Alfred's marriage to Elise?


So far .. what do you think?
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« Reply #41 on: Sunday 08 June 08 22:40 BST (UK) »
Yes a right mess.

The witness on Alfred's marriage to Elsie was T E Welch and P J Batten.

I will send for the cert of Alfred E Chappell. It will take a day or two.

Thanks for the help with this. at the moment I'm at a loss to know were to look next.

Best wishes George
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 08 June 08 22:41 BST (UK) »
well they're not much use to us!

stay calm and wait for that certificate - one day you will laugh at all this  Shocked Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #43 on: Sunday 08 June 08 22:47 BST (UK) »
1901 has a Percy J Batten born 1898 Penzance

and a Thomas E Welch b 1875 ST Ives

mind you they could have been brought in from the street!
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Re: James Chappell
« Reply #44 on: Monday 09 June 08 19:56 BST (UK) »
Hi  Smiley
Just sent for  marriage cert should be here by end of the week.

George
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