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j.m.firth
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Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me find the father of Charles E Firth? He was born in Skelmanthorpe 1859/60, married to Sarah A, with children Minnie, Thomas B and Harold (1901 census). His mother is Sarah Ann? (a widow in 1861 census), Micklethwaite? Berry?....possibly??? Thanks. Jane
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patrish
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Hi Jane,
Have I got the correct family in 1861 
Living in Denby Dale .
Sarah Firth 26 something of shawls b High Burton
Matilida dau 4
Charles E son 2 b High Burton.
If so I believe Sarah is not a widow but unmarried.
If not can you please post the full reference
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j.m.firth
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Hi, Yes I think so. I think Sarah 's mother was Elizabeth Berry. She also had a daughter, Clarissa born 1855. The 1881 census lists her as being a widow. She was a shawl fringer.
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Hi Jane,
Well in that case if Sarah Firth was unmarried then both Matilda and Charles E would be illegitimate ..... therefore it is unlikely that they would have a fathers name on thier birth certificates.... have you sent for either to see
I am getting a bit confused here, are you saying that Sarah Firth b 1834 is down on the 1881 census as a widow, can you please post the reference.
I think Sarah 's mother was Elizabeth Berry
Can I please ask what evidence do you have of this.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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j.m.firth
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Hi, Sorry I'm still a bit new to this, so not making myself very clear. No I've not sent for a birth certificate for Charles. I wasn't sure I had enough information to order it. I would appreciate your advice.
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Hi Jane,
I am thinking out loud out now after looking at the 81 census,... it appears that Sarah Ann Firth is the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Berry. but on the 61 census I think it reads that she is unmarried not widowed.... what do you think Jane.
1861 RG9/3454/81/8
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I couldent find Clarissa in 61 either .
I think the only way forward is to send for Charles birth and see what it says re his father and then we can look for a marriage
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Hi Patrish and Jane
It could be down as Clara born to Isaac and Ann Firth
Rg9/ 3252
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page 14
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I couldnt find a Clarissa Firth born 1855 ish closest I could see is born 1859,but plenty of Clara's around the 1855 ish
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The free bmd has a marriage of a Sarah Ann Berry Sept q. 1854 Bradford 9b- 23 there are 2 females and only 1 male on the same page but I cannot see a Firth on the same quarter with that reference on the complete index's
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Hi everyone, Thanks for your help. I'm going to order Charles' birth certificate and see if that helps. I noticed the disappearance and reappearance of Clarissa and Thomas as well. Elizabeth Berry was married before, I think to a Micklethwaite. Sarah is a Mickle thwaite in both the 1841 and 1851 census. The family are all recorded as Feith in 1871. I wonder if she used Berry or Micklethwaite when she married ( or possibly she didn't marry at all). There is also a Daniel Heap? that lives with the family (or next door)sometimes recorded as a lodger other times as the son of Elizabeth Berry? Heap? I wonder where he fits in? I'm baffled! Jane
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Hi J.M
thats your best bet to get Charles' birth cert. Then we might be able to sort it out 
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Hi Jane,
Best do as suggested and then we can take it from there.... when you have more information.
Patrish 
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