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gladys1
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Please would some kind person see if they can find me a marriage for John Rowley. John`s first wife Margaret Dickinson died 1845 Jarrow Durham then in the 1851 census John says he was married but there was no wife at home then the 1861 census his wife was named Ann and she was born Jarrow Durham about 1816. I have been looking in the past and present and can`t find a marriage so amm hoping you can which i will be ever so grateful. Thank you gladys1 
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DS
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Hi Gladys
On the 1891 census, Ann Rowley (who is a widow aged 75) is living with her sister. She is called Fanny Madgwick (aged 57) and is married to Robert. In 1851 (second quarter) Robert Madgewick married Fanny Spoor in Sunderland.
I think, therefore, that Ann’s maiden name was Spoor.
I can see this Spoor family in 1841...
Sunderland HO107/321/11 Folio 18 Page 30
Robert Spoor 45 Trimmer
Ann do 25
Sarah do 15
Margaret do 15
George do 14
Robert do 13
Fanny do 8
William do 4
Bank Street, Sunderland
All born in County. Some ages rounded.
On the 1851 census Robert (58) is shown as a Widower and four of the children are still at home, Margaret (23), George (22) and Fanny (18) all born Jarrow and William (13) born Sunderland. Sarah (26) who is married to a John George Harland, was also from Jarrow.
I cannot find Ann in 1851, nor can I find a marriage for her, but based upon the above (circumstantial) evidence, I think that there is a good chance that she could be the person who appears with John Rowley on the 1861 census....
DS 
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gladys1
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Hello DS, i haven`t got that 1891 census for Ann Rowley but have the 1861/71/81 and only the 1901 for Ann living with her relations, John Rowley died 1882 so that must be her in the 1891 also Ann died 1904 aged 88, its a muddle isn`t it  So Ann must have been married before as well as John Rowley and Robert Spoor must have died then which i will have a look tomorrow. I do thank you for your help which i appreciate. Gladys.
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DS
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Hi Gladys
To make up the full set .....
1891
York RG12/3892 Folio 31 Page 7
Robert Madgwick Head M 59 Dyer & Scourer Durham South Shields
Fanny do Wife M 57 Cook Durham Jarrow
Ann Rowley Wife’s Sister Wid 75 Durham Jarrow
Layerthorpe (99), St Cuthbert’s, York
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gladys1
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Hiya DS thank you once again which i appreciate your help. I think John Rowley married Ann Spoor as well. I also think that it should have said Ann Rowley Wifes mother,must have been a mistake with who ever wrote it down and may be couldn`t hear properly. Amm off to have a hunt about for a marriage Gladys.
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DS
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Hi Gladys
I would think that "Wife's Sister" is correct.
On the 1851 census, Robert Spoor (the father) is shown as a widower. If Ann (as shown on the 1841 census) had been his wife she would not have been around to be able to appear on the later censuses as Ann Rowley.
I would, therefore, think that Ann was Robert's daughter and Fanny's sister.
DS
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Gatacre
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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DS
I agree with you that your info is correct
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CLEGG,BINNS Rochdale
PATTESON-BLACKWELL Rochdale
PATTESON,SMITH Bury and Manchester
GARNER, ALLEN Manchehster/Ireland
HARTLEY, Burnley
BLACKWALL/WELL Hereford City, Herefordshire
COLLINS Leominster, Herefordshire
ARMSTRONG Orleton, Herefordshire
LLOYD Orleton, Herefordshire
THOMPSON Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire
THOMPSON Dromara, Co. Down, N. Ireland
CAMPBELL Dromara, Down and Co. Tyrone N Ireland
FISHER Pennsyvania and Ohio USA
MARKS Pennsylvania USA
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gladys1
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Hello DS & Gatacre i thought Ann in 1841 census was Robert`s wife  have had another look and she couldn`t have been as Ann wouldn`t have been old enough to get married yes you are right so John Rowley married Ann Spoor, where,  .I will have a look for Ann`s bap at Jarrow at some point.
Thanks a lot for your kind help. Gladys
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2zpool
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Gladys,
When you look for Anne Spours baptism--try Jarrow 18 Sept 1815 d/o Robert and Martha Spours
Janis
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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gladys1
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Good Morning Janis. Thank you for that will have a look after. Its amazing where some of these people gan to get married Regards Gladys.
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gladys1
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Hello Janis, i got the bap for Anne Spours 18 Sep, 1815 daur of Robert Spours & Mary, Jarrow Wagener then Jane daur of Robert Spours & Martha Spours 12 July, 1818 Jarrow Row Waggon Man. It looked like Mary cos there was only four letters Bye for now. Gladys.
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2zpool
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Jarrow:
burial: Martha Spours age 25, Jarrow Row, 12 July 1818
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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gladys1
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Thank you Janis for that and i see poor Martha died same month and year as the babbywas born. I see in the 1841 census Robert had other children after 1818 so who was his wife any way amm ganna have a look about. Gladys
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2zpool
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He married someone names Sarah but it was not in Co. Durham. There is a possible marriage I see in Tynemouth--about the right time. Sarah Gibson 24 Apr 1819. There are several children baptised in Jarrow with Robert and Sarah as parents. By the way my transcript has Ann with mother of Martha. They were transcribed from the parish register and not the Bishop's trancripts.
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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gladys1
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Hiya Janis, do you mean Ann was the daur of Martha what died Aye that could be the marriage for Robert Spoors in Tynemouth 1819 which i will look up then look in Jarrow for the children`s bap, we might get put right at some point Thank you. Much Appreciated. Gladys.
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