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sweeneyamand
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mum , thanks so much for all your help , its fantastic 
gadget thanks to you too 
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Mum44
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Amanda - hi
All still very up in the air, tho 
I have down.loaded his naval record . I'm no wiser! I can send you a copy if you'd like to pm. me your email address ?
It seems to say he was in for 12 years from March 1894 - but the first record is dated 1891  So maybe he went in as a boy, and 1894 was the start of his offical service. Either way, he doesn't seem to have been in very long, in fact it looks as if he was invalded out in 1893! So maybe the start date is wrong
This is still a conundrum 
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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Gadget
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I'm puzzled because John C's wife was 48 on the 1871 census and they were in Portsea (Ref given by me last evening).
Did they move back to Ramsgate? Did Louisa have a very late child? Did she die and John married again or formed a liaison with someone else in Ramsgate?
Very strange 
Gadget
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CatOne
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Do these fit in someway?
"Vankhan"
1841 HO107/468/5 Folio 4 Page 1
Clifton Street, St John the Baptist, Margate
Crisp Van..ear 45 Lab Y
Phoebe 44 Y
James 14 Y
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George Lawrence? 13 Y
Henry Fritton/Tritton? 12 Y
1851 HO107/1629 Folio 432 Page 20
6 Clifton Street, Margate
Crispe Vanhear 61 Labourer (ag) Kent Moncton
Pheobe 60 Kent Westbere?
Mary A 26 unmar dau Margate
Robert C 6 grandchild Margate
James 3 Margate
Ann 1 Margate
1861 RG9/533 Folio 37 Page 5
Isle of Thanet Union Workhouse, Minster in Thanet, Kent
Crispe "Vanhees" aged & infirm widower 71 Farm Labourer Monkton Kent
Heres John and Louisa for easy reference, is he Crisp's son? -
1861 Portsea Town
John Vanhear 39 Signalman D Yard Kent Northdown
Louisa 38 Hants Hardway
Louisa 14 All children born Portsea
Mary 12
Phoebe 10
James 8
Ellen 5
Albert 3
Thomas 12mo
1871 23 Chapel Row, Portsea
John C Vanhear 49 Photographer Margate
Louisa 48 Hants Hardway
Arthur J 28 Ships Steward RN
Louisa 24 Stay Lacer
Mary A 21 Cap Maker
Phoeby 19 Stay Boner
Ellen 15 Scholar
Albert 14 Scholar
Frederick W 9 Scholar (the Fred Vinner Gadget found??)
John Crisp Vanhear died 1878 as in previous posting
1881 "Vauhean" 23 Chapel Row, Portsea
Louisa Vanhear widow 61 Household Property Gosport Hants
Albert 24 Blacksmith Portsmouth
Ellen 22 Portsmouth
1891 23 Chapel Row, Portsea Town
Louisa Vanhear widow 72 Hants Hardway
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The Fred - looks very interesting!
It doesn't make sense to me - I'm starting to think that Robert James might have been economical with the truth.
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I thought it was already decided that Robert James was most likely James Robert, Edwins' brother? -
James Robert Vanhear Sept 1875 Thanet Vol 2a Page 824
Or am I getting competely confused?
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We thought so, then the photographer came out of the woodwork on the wedding cert. I then found John C the photographer also b. Ramsgate.
When did marrying one's sister in law stop being illegal? - think it was the early part of 20th century. He might have covered up the facts in this way.
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Mum44
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It doesn't make sense to me, either.
The two Robert James Vanhears just do not seem to exist anywhere except on the marriage certificate, and in the case of the younger one on his Naval record, but that quite categorically says Robert James Vanhear b. 15 March 1876 Ramsgate, and there is no registration. I've looked for Robert James born 1875/6 - none have a father named either Robert or James or photographer.
Nor can I find a Robert James in Ramsgate who was a photographer - although of course that could have happened post 1901 . But the only Robert Vanhear of the age to be the father appears to have had only two children - Charles and Isabel.
Stoll looking
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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So from 1907 a man could marry the sister of his deceased wife, but not until 1921 could a woman marry her deceased husband's brother?? Charming, one rule for one.....
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Hmmm- I thought it was 1907 for both until I found Stan's info
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Mum44
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Well, at the moment I can't see a Fred or Frederik Viner of any age who was either born in or lived in Ramsgate on 1881, 1891 or 1901 census - so the photographic business was either very short-lived or Mr Viner resided outside Ramsgate.
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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CatOne
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Frederick William Vanhear died June 1890 Portsea Island Vol 2b Page 285 age 28, so not the Fred Viner, photographer from 1899 directory
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