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timsouch
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Germany: birth certificate - GMACH
« on: Sunday 01 June 08 12:25 UTC (UK) »
hi

dose anyone know where you can order gremany birth death and marrage certi like our own gro web site but for germany.

i am looking to get my great gran parents birth and marraiage certi they where born in munich germany.



thank you
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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 June 08 12:37 UTC (UK) »
Hi timsouch,

sorry, but it doesn't work that way - there is no equivalent to the british GRO  Sad

In Germany you have to know exactly which registry office you need, or possibly even in which church they were born or married.

You also have to prove that you are a direct descendant, although that law is changing / due to change soon.

Can you supply some more information, then we might be able to help more.

regards,
Bob
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 June 08 12:50 UTC (UK) »
I am looking for  Ludwig Theodore Gmach born 28 Dec 1885 Munchen, Bayern, Germany and came to england 1909 parents name was also Ludwig Theodore Gmach and Anna Baudl (OR Bauhl not sure spelling). would like to trace there marraige certi  and his birth certi

the first ludwig is my great gran father can to england.

so how dose it work what do you need to prove it
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 June 08 12:59 UTC (UK) »
Hi Tim,

I looked in the TNA and found what looks like naturalisation papers for your grandfather:
GMACH, L T Date of birth 20.12.1885

Do you have these already ??

For the birth certs. I'm not 100% sure, but I'll ask on the german forum.

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 June 08 13:08 UTC (UK) »
yes i have already found these and know about his life in england

but would love to find out his birth to find his mother real name and her familiy have already a little bit about his dad witch came from cham disctric and married his mother some where in munch germany but don't know a lot on germany side or how to go about it

but thank you for trying
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 June 08 13:12 UTC (UK) »
Looks like you're in luck  Grin

I just looked on GEDBAS, a german "add your GEDCOMs" site,  and found your family there too.
http://gedbas.genealogy.net/  (enter gmach in Nachname)
the tree goes back to the 1650's and there is a contact address for the guy who put the GEDCOM online.

Do you speak german ?? If not, write to him in english, and if there are any problems, let us know, somebody here will translate for you.

Bob
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 June 08 13:14 UTC (UK) »
ps.


LT (1856) married Anna BAUDL, born 12.06.1857
and LT (1821) married Anna Maria KRAUS, born 03.04.1823

do you notice a particular naming pattern here  Grin
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Re: Germany: birth certificate
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 June 08 14:36 UTC (UK) »
yes thanks i have already this info i gave most of it to him  thanks for trying as i still looking for Anna Baudl information and her marriage date or certi.

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 June 08 17:18 UTC (UK) »
Hi Tim,

I have now started a topic for you on the german forum:

  Ahnenforschung.Org: Geburts- und Heiratsurkunden, München - GMACH

I'll keep you posted, if anything comes in  Smiley

regards,
Bob
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and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site.

All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk)
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 June 08 20:27 UTC (UK) »
thank you very much for your help
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Re: Germany: birth certificate - GMACH
« Reply #10 on: Monday 02 June 08 19:40 UTC (UK) »
An answer from Ahnenforschung.Org:
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In Bayern wurden am 01.01.1876 Standesämter eingeführt. Daher bekommt man wegen des Datenschutzes nur als Abkömmling Urkunden. [Die geringere Verbesserung der Situation ist noch nicht in Kraft]. Für frühere Urkunden muss man sich - falls die Vorfahren katholisch waren - an das Diözesanarchiv München, Karmelitterstr. 1, D-80333 München, wenden. Falls die Vorfahen evangelisch waren, müsste man die Gemeinde in München wissen, da die entsprechenden Kirchenbücher Münchens bei den Gemeinden sind.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Friedhard Pfeiffer

In other words,
After 1876 there was civil registration, and direct descendants kann apply to the Registry Office in Munich,

otherwise, if he was catholic, you can apply to the Diocese Archives

Dioezesanarchiv München,
Karmelitterstr. 1,
D-80333 München

and if he was protestant (evangelical), then you need to know the parish, as the church books will be in that parish.

regards,
Bob
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and, of course, any other ancestors for my web-site.

All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk)
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