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how Pubs got their names?
« on: Thursday 20 January 05 14:46 GMT (UK) »

hi,

this is a spin off the amusing shop names topic. I was just wondering what and how some of the pubs in your area, got their names

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Re: how Pubs got their names?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 January 05 15:01 GMT (UK) »

I always thought The Honest Lawyer  in Kings Lynn was a good one. Had a picture of a Lawyer holding his own severed head.  Smiley
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Re: how Pubs got their names?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 January 05 16:02 GMT (UK) »

There was a nearby pub called "The Inn on the lake" but the locals who went there regularly used to call it "The pub on the pond"! eventually they got the hint and changed the name of the pub officially to The pub on the pond!  Grin
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Re: how Pubs got their names?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 January 05 17:08 GMT (UK) »

 Cheesy

Years ago when our boys were small, we were holidaying in Devon/Cornwall and came across a pub called the Green Man.

We had never heard that name before in relation to a pub, so over the years, as a way of keeping them quiet in the car, it became a game to see how many green man pubs we could find on our travels. In about 15 years we only ever found three.

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Re: how Pubs got their names?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 January 05 17:24 GMT (UK) »

My ancestors WIlliam and Ann Nixon owned the Dog and Rat Public House in Broughton Lincolnshire.  William was a rat catcher in the 1841 and 1851  census.  He became the propriertor of a pub.  Family lore has it that on the day he was to take over the pub, his dog (helper in the rat catching) caught a rat next to the stream that runs by the pub and brought it into the pub.  Hence the name the Dog and Rat.
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 January 05 17:31 GMT (UK) »


In Corona, California, there is a bar called

"The Office"

Yes, dear....I'll be late for dinner....I'm at "The Office!"


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Re: how Pubs got their names?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 January 05 17:33 GMT (UK) »

Hello,

"The Prospect of Whitby" is probably one of the most famous pubs in London on The Thames and not far from me and built in 1520.  It was originally called 'The Devil's Tavern" but the name latter changed and named after a boat called "The Prospect" registered in Whitby Yorkshire which was regularly berthed outside the pub on the Thames (suppose the Captain liked his ale!).

Famous for Samuel Pepys and Dickens being regulars in their day, as well as the famous Judge Jeffreies (the hanging judge) who used to preside there.  There is still a hangman's contraption on the side of the pub which hangs over the Thames (probably not original Wink which is where they hung the guilty.

http://www.professorharbottle.co.uk/pub/londoneast/whitby.html

I've always liked the origin of the name though ...

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 January 05 17:38 GMT (UK) »

Our local pub is called "The Little John" and along with lots of street names around here( Kirklees) is (legend has it) all to do with Robin Hood
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 20 January 05 19:18 GMT (UK) »

Pub names could have, and probably has got, books written about them.

The Honest Lawyer in King's Lynn is said to be because the only honest lawyer is a dead one, (sign has a man with head under his arm).  Green Man is all to do with the ancient Green Man, fertility thing.

Many Pubs were named after local dignatories or famous people.  Coats of arms etc.  In this part of Norfolk there are a lot of Ostrich pubs and this is due to the fact that the coat of arms of the Earl of Leicester who owned lots of Norfolk, (Holkham Hall estate,) had an Ostrich on top of it.

If you dig deep enough there is always a story behind the name.

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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 January 05 20:53 GMT (UK) »


A statute of Richard II in 1393 made it compulsory for every inn in England to display a sign.  The result is the great open-air gallery of picturesque names and signboards.

Very many inn names denote the the heraldic arms of their patron. Richard II's arms bore the WHITE HART.  The RISING SUN recalls Edward III; the BLUE BOAR the House of York;  The GREEN DRAGON the Earl of Pembroke; THE GREYHOUND, HENRY VII.

Many others were founded by crafts or guilds, hence the BLACKSMITH' ARMS or the WEAVERS' ARMS.  Connections with transport were many.The PACK HORSE, the COACH and HORSES and the RAILWAY TAVERN reflect improving means of travel.

Historical battles such as TRAFALGAR gave frequent inspiration, as did of course the ROYAL OAK which hid Charles II in 1861. 

The discovery of Australia in 1683 gave us THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN and the 1948 Olympics THE TORCH in Wembley.

Still, many odd ones remain.  It Is anybody's guess what to make of the MAGPIE AND STUMP (Old Bailey), the WIG AND FIDGET in Boxted, or the GOAT IN BOOTS (north London).

We may not always know from where our boozer derived its name, but we're glad it's there.

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« Reply #10 on: Friday 21 January 05 00:11 GMT (UK) »

The Green Man that Mobo referred to is a pub name that comes from a very old English fertility myth of this man made of leaves and twigs who is sacrificed every midsummer to bring good crops - or that is the gist of it. There are quite a lot of them around - I used to frequent one at Wembley a great many years ago but only for lunch as they served magnificent grilled soles on enormous platters.

Not very far from where I live is the old village of Crayford in North Kent. A pub there is called The Bear and Ragged Staff. Those are the armorials of the old Earls of Warwickshire - Simon de Montfort etc. What on earth can Crayford have to do with the de Montforts?
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 21 January 05 00:18 GMT (UK) »

Lowering the tone somewhat after that, but keeping to the gastronomic theme, one of my locals called the 'Barley Mow' is always known as the Flipping Kipper as they apparently serve the best smoked kippers in London for Sunday morning breakfast.  Posh we are in the East End of London  Grin

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« Reply #12 on: Friday 21 January 05 01:15 GMT (UK) »

My favourite is the Drunken Duck in the Lake District, said to be named after the time when a barrel of ale broke as it was being unloaded from the cart, and the ducks got well plastered! They used to have the best selection of single malts I ever saw outside of Scotland, and a very cute t-shirt with extremely happy looking ducks on it. Sadly it has changed hands and gone yuppy; now t-shirts are no longer available, and the malts are not so good.
On another tack re Inn names: the old coaching inns that were on the same route all had the same name; Red Lion is one of these names and you could follow the route across the country by tracing the pubs.
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« Reply #13 on: Friday 21 January 05 01:35 GMT (UK) »

A few years ago while touring in Cornwall, we came across the "Bucket of Blood" in Hayle.
Legend has it that the landlord went out one morning to draw water from the well and pulled up a human head in the bucket... full of blood!
Evidently, at some point, the brewery proposed a name change, but the locals wouldn't go for it .
So, it is still " The Bucket of Blood!"

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« Reply #14 on: Friday 21 January 05 08:14 GMT (UK) »

Indiapaleale, did they also  serve beer with a large head on it  ??  Grin Grin
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