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Barbara F
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Thank you for that information Dawn.
I had noticed the 1871 entry and interpreted PoB as Kennington so the 1891 census entry is helpful.
Will take another look at this later. There may not be a birth registration but we ought to be able to find Eliza on the 1851 census - famous last words! 
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Hello Dawn
Thank you for all that new information.
I am beginning to think the Eliza in the 1851 census is not my ancestor who married Daniel Hallett but i still don't think her maiden name was Copyes perhaps I'll throw the six letters in the air and see how they land.
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dawnsh
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I'll be at the LMA tomorrow.
I'll look at the 1860 original marriage entry to see if there are any clues there ie how the register was signed by the bride and groom, if the witnesses were the parish professionals or not.
Back to after the 1891 census, Carrie Harrie married in 1892 according to Freebmd, the others on the page are Henry Egglestone William Conford and Jane Bish, haven't had time to find them in 1901. In 1901 Robert appears to be in Barracks.
'If' Caroline Copsey the aunt is yours, she appears to remarry and can be found in 1861 with William Ogilvy in Islington.
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BUZZ
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Hi Dawn
Thank you again for all the information.
As i cannot find a date of death for Eliza i looked for a marriage and found a Eliza Ann Hallett married either Henry William Gardner or James Samuel Harris St.Pancras 1898.
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BUZZ
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Hi Dawn
Thank you for replying regarding your visit to the LMA.
As I said in one of my previous posts, I am now beginning to think that my Eliza is not the one in the 1851 Census living at Cromer Street and the Eliza on the IGI site who was born November 1841.
I have come to this conclusion for the following reasons:
The 1861, 71 and 81 Census that I have are definitely her because my g grandfather Walter is on the 71 and 81 Census and it is the same family on the 61 Census.
You then finding her in the 1891 Census which I believe is correct because she had her daughter Carrie with her who was also in the 81 Census, and stating that her place of birth was Lambeth and the 1871 Census 'scribble' I do now believe is Kennington.
The Eliza Copsey who was found in the 1841 and 51 Census stated that her place of birth was St. Pancras.
I would be very surprised if her maiden name was Copyes as I have stated before the only time I have found this on the Free BMD site is on her marriage certificate and Walter's birth certificate.
I am now going to try spelling her maiden name in a number of different ways, starting with C and then trying an assortment of letters afterwards that come near to the sound of Coppice, Copas, Copus, and onwards.
I would also like to thank Barbara and Toni who have contributed their knowledge to this posting.
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Hello Casalguidi thank you for your reply.
Eliza's son Walter Hallett married Annie Bedford at St. Saviour's Southwark which I could not understand as they both came from St. Pancras.
On a previous listing on this page Dawn states that she found Eliza in the 1891 Census and her place of birth was Lambeth. This may account for why Walter and Annie married at St. Saviour's, or am I clutching at straws?
As I have said previously, I still do not believe Eliza's maiden name was Copyes so am looking for alternatives close to that spelling. The Eliza Casey that I have stated I thought was close, another is an Eliza Copping who was born December quarter 1842 in Lambeth or an Eliza Cuckow at St. Saviour's June quarter 1841.
From the ages on the Censuses that I have found, I believe Eliza was born c1841-2 so have not looked further than those years for her date of birth.
Again, if anyone can give me any information on this, I would be very grateful.
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