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Galium
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If it's any help, there is a possible christening listed at:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
JAMES MILLARD
Christening: 07 FEB 1858 Chessington, Surrey
Father: GEORGE* MILLARD
Mother: ROSANNA
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
*Possible transcripton error, given the other evidence
The marriage of James Millard and Rosanna Corbet is on FreeBMD Dec Q 1855
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Marriage is also on familysearch: 22 December 1855 Ashtead, Surrey
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Thanks very much everyone for replying to my query, really grateful.
James is my maternal gggrandfather, I have found him on the census records for 1871 living in Bristol, 1881, 1891, 1901 (living in Bedminster Bristol), all the census records state he was born in Kingston upon Thames and was born c1852, also have his marriage certificate dated August 1870 which states him as being of full age, his father's name is Walter Millard a Painter. I can find no tie in on the 1861 census record for James Millard living with Walter Millard - Painter
James marriage certificate does not tie in with his death certificate which state's he died in Bristol November 1913 aged 61 - again suggesting he was born in 1852.
He married Jane Hucker in Bristol and had two daughters my ggrandmother Alice Millard b1870 (Yes a shotgun wedding) they are living with Jane's parents in Bridgwater on the 1871, and a sister Ada b 1881 in Bristol.
The reason I was asking if anyone had any information for a birth in 1857 I think he might have been adopted and a new certificate issued ? I have sent for various certificates around the 1852 date but have come up with nothing.
Have been trying to trace James & Walter Millard for over 3 years but have had no joy I'm afraid.
Hope all that makes sense
Frustrated Ann :
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Brice - Barton St David, Bath, Bristol, Birmingham
Morris Cook - Bristol, male and female all have the middle name Morris.
Sealy/Sealey - Taunton, Bath, Bristol
Walter Millard
James Millard - Bristol
Gane -Bedminster,PontypoolCompton Martin/Wick st lawrence
Hucker/Tucker - Othery, Somerset
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solva
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Yes I agree with you about marriage certificate, that's why I am dubious about his age!
I have hunted everywhere to try and find him, I wouldn't be surprised if he is illegitimate and on the 1861 census records is under another name.
I can't think of any other source of finding information.
There is something very odd about this family line, his daughter Ada had six children, she put 4 of them into an orphanage, they were told their parents were dead, when she finally died her husband traced one of the daughters and got her to come and look after him, but did not bother with the others.
Regards
Ann
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Brice - Barton St David, Bath, Bristol, Birmingham
Morris Cook - Bristol, male and female all have the middle name Morris.
Sealy/Sealey - Taunton, Bath, Bristol
Walter Millard
James Millard - Bristol
Gane -Bedminster,PontypoolCompton Martin/Wick st lawrence
Hucker/Tucker - Othery, Somerset
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Hmmm. Please excuse me if this is a red herring!
Trying to trace the R and Mary I found in 1881 back on census, I'm wondering if this is them in 1861:
RG9/1775 57 8
Stroud, Gloucestershire
Walter Cleaver, head, 40, Painter, b. Gloucestershire Tedbury
Mary, wife, 30, b. Berkshire
James, son, 8, scholar, b. Surrey Kingston
George, son, 6, scholar, b. do.
Rebecca, dau, 4, scholar, b. do.
Walter, son, 2, scholar, b. do.
The more I look at them the more I like them! The first names and rough birth years all match the various Millards found on later census in Gloucestershire under the name Millard, and there's a 'father' Walter who's a painter!
Who are the marriage witnesses?
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"My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness" Desire and hunger is the fire I breathe Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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avm228
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Death:
Walter CLEAVER Jun 1863 Stroud 6a 219
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Do you like my theory Anna, or is it too far fetched? 
Love it! Can't find a Cleaver-Millard marriage, though 
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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The Newfster
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Tati - far-fetched .... shirley all based on impeccable research and logic
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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avm228
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In 1851 Walter Cleaver, 37, painter b Hungerford, is married to a 20 yr old Ann b London and lodging in Kingston-upon-Thames: HO107/1603/278/44
Mary Millard in 1881 gives her birthplace as Little Hungerford and Mary Cleaver in 1861 (b Berkshire) is the right age to be this Ann - wonder if the birthplaces have been mixed up somewhere (and, of course, her name - hmm.....)
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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(Also, legal adoptions didn't exist back in the 19th century)