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Re: James Millard
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:01 BST (UK) »
I think we're getting somewhere there  Cheesy

They missed a line on the 1851 census*! The previous chap's birth place is Tedbury Gloucestershire!!
(*and thus the poor last person in the household doesn't have a birthplace!)
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:06 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Tati on Wednesday 04 June 08 18:01 BST (UK)

They missed a line on the 1851 census*! The previous chap's birth place is Tedbury Gloucestershire!!
(*and thus the poor last person in the household doesn't have a birthplace!)

Brilliant!

The 2 yr old Walter in 1861 was registered at birth as Cleaver:

Walter CLEAVER Sep 1859 Kingston 2a 208
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:08 BST (UK) »
Other Cleaver births in Kingston RD:

Matilda Cleaver Sep 1851 Kingston 4 237
James Cleaver Dec 1852 Kingston 2a 165
Rebecca Cleaver Mar 1857 Kingston 2a 173
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:12 BST (UK) »
Possible birth reg for George (6 in 1861):

George CLEVEY [sic] Jun 1855 Kingston 2a 161
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:12 BST (UK) »
Fantastic Anna!  Cheesy


Did you notice the next door neighbours in 1861?
James Cleaver 60 Farm Labourer born Tedbury
Rebecca Cleaver 60 born Sodbury

Can anyone see them earlier? I'm wondering if maybe for some reason Walter was called Millard earlier in life ...
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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:14 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Tati on Wednesday 04 June 08 18:12 BST (UK)
Fantastic Anna! Cheesy


Did you notice the next door neighbours in 1861?
James Cleaver 60 Farm Labourer born Tedbury
Rebecca Cleaver 60 born Sodbury




...and their granddaughter Matilda with them!
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:19 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Tati on Wednesday 04 June 08 18:12 BST (UK)
James Cleaver 60 Farm Labourer born Tedbury
Rebecca Cleaver 60 born Sodbury


Marriage (IGI, extracted)

James CLEAVER
Rebecca ROYES

17 Aug 1823 Tetbury, Gloucestershire
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:23 BST (UK) »
Nice find!  Cheesy

(not saying I wouldn't have liked one of them to be called Millard at some point! Tongue)

The 1841 census for Kemble Wiltshire shows a James 40 Ag lab and a Rebekah age 40, both born out of county (not sure it's them!)

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In 1851 they're both in Wales at Matherne Monmouthshire HO107/2443 410 3
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:30 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Tati on Wednesday 04 June 08 18:23 BST (UK)

(not saying I wouldn't have liked one of them to be called Millard at some point! Tongue)


Quite!

It's looking as though the Millard link must be through Mary/Ann, whether as a maiden name to which she reverted or as a second married (or de facto married) name.  I certainly can't find either her marriage to Walter Cleaver or any subsequent marriage, after his death, to a Millard.
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:32 BST (UK) »
Baptism (IGI, extracted):

Matilda CLEAVER

b 24 Aug 1851
bap 21 Sep 1851

Kingston-upon-Thames, Surrey

daughter of Walter CLEAVER and Mary Ann
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:35 BST (UK) »
Other Cleaver baptisms in Kingston, same batch, same parents:

James b 24 Nov 1853, bap 4 June 1854
George b 24 Mar 1855, bap 17 June 1855
Rebecca b 14 Feb 1857, bap 26 Apr 1857


Mother is down as Mary Ann in each case
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:39 BST (UK) »
Is this very much out?

MARY ANN MILLARD
Christening 26 SEP 1823   Hampstead Norris, Berkshire,
Father AMBROSE MILLARD Mother DEBORAH     

Hampstead Norreys doesn't look too far from Hungerford on a map ...

Still not sure why they'd choose to be called Millard after being registered as Cleaver  Undecided
 
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:42 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Tati on Wednesday 04 June 08 18:39 BST (UK)

Hampstead Norreys doesn't look too far from Hungerford on a map ...


This must be it- Ambrose Millard and family's address is actually given as Little Hungerford in 1841: HO107/16/5/5 Cheesy

Unfortunately Mary Ann is not with them...
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Re: James Millard
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:45 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Tati on Wednesday 04 June 08 18:39 BST (UK)
Still not sure why they'd choose to be called Millard after being registered as Cleaver  Undecided
 

Perhaps Walter was a bad egg and they wanted a fresh start after his death?
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 18:47 BST (UK) »
Yes, that's a possibility!  Cool

Now Solva/Ann! The icing on the cake would be that any of the names we found were witnesses when James married! Any such luck?  Tongue
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