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Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« on: Friday 06 June 08 03:52 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Just putting this out there to see if anyone could give me a fresh angle on this little problem of mine.

My g-grandfather Patrick Loughlin was born in Galway (Well i'm very sure) in 1861.

Trouble is that on the 1891 census just a couple years after he came to England he lists his birthplace as BALLYWOUNESS, IRELAND

Then after he has married and got children on the 1901 census he lists his birthplace as TUONE, IRELAND

Can't find anything that matches either name exactly or even a little mis-spelt.
Given that i've found my g-grandfather's name mis-spelt three different times at least i'm more then sure one or both of these place names are mis-spelt.

Any thoughts welcome

Thankyou

Jonathan
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IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 June 08 08:51 UTC (UK) »
Can you tell us details from 1891 census so I can see scanned image? One possibilty is Ballyweeann in Co. Galway.
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 June 08 17:56 UTC (UK) »
Sorry haven't got exact page numbers (all my infomation is at home - on holiday) but if its any help i could give you more details.

On 1891 census he was listed as lodging with a Thomas Connolly who is his future brother-in-law.

3 Princess Street, Heywood, Lancashire

Thomas Connolly 40 Head
Harriet   Connolly 32 Wife
Joshua   Miller       27 Lodger
Patrick   Loughnah  26 Lodger

Again you can see the name mis-spelt and job is listed as carter.

Hopefully you can get the info you want from the image from this if not i'll wait till i can get hold of the exact details when i go home.

Thanks

Jonathan
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BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 June 08 18:36 UTC (UK) »
Had a look at census and it's hard to know what it would be since there are so many mistakes- Partrick instead of Patrick, surname written as Loughnah- looks like his birthplace is Bally _o-ness but nothing matches (in Galway or Ireland)- closest I could come was Ballinlawless but not at all sure.
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 June 08 16:12 UTC (UK) »
Could the Tuone be Tuam in Gallway. there are some Bally-------- in the area.
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 June 08 17:04 UTC (UK) »
Many Irish townland begin with 'Bally or Balli"
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 June 08 20:41 UTC (UK) »
My guess isn't in Galway at all but I think it is Ballyhaunis - which is Mayo - but there is a road to Tuam from there  Grin

Mr Connolly was born Mayo.

He may well have been born between the two places. Undecided

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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 June 08 00:07 UTC (UK) »
Thanks for all the help.

Yep this one is going to remain a mystrey for some time. Just if i could pin it down to one county then it would be a start.
I guess two isn't the end of the world.
Not planning on going anytime soon but would visiting Ireland be of any use to me?
I'm thinking not that much because i don't have a small enough area to place him yet.
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HOWARTH - Rochdale
IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
MAHER - London
BRIGGS - Doncaster
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 June 08 16:45 UTC (UK) »
as you say - not accurate enough yet I suppose. Mind you I would go to Mayo for any reason  Grin
The census looks very much like Ballyhouness  (an 'h' rather than a 'w') which I am confident could be heard or interpreted as Ballyhaunis but there is always a doubt. It does border North galway and Roscommon. My sister's in laws came from 'Ballyhaunis' but records were Roscommon.
I think I saw that the Connollys show Kilmaine, Mayo on one census?? But that is in another direction according to the map.
Do you have his marriage details for his father's name - that may help eventually.

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heywood
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #9 on: Friday 13 June 08 00:51 UTC (UK) »
Thankyou Heywood for all your help

Yes the Connolly's come from Kilmaine.

On the marriage certificate his fathers name is also given as Patrick and his job is listed as Farmer's Labourer which is the same exact job title that is given for Thomas Connolly the bride's father.

If it is indeed Ballyhouness how would it come to be 10 years later on the 1901 census that he lists his birthplace as Tuone?
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HOWARTH - Rochdale
IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
MAHER - London
BRIGGS - Doncaster
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #10 on: Friday 13 June 08 11:50 UTC (UK) »
I don't know - but what I was meaning was that if he was born outside Ballyhaunis but within the larger area of Tuam - he may have put that down later. They are about 20 miles apart.
If you look at http://www.failteromhat.com/ and then Griffiths Valuation you can see that there are lots of Loughlins and McLoughlins in Galway and Mayo so it is difficult for you.

http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/ - Mayo and Galway are fully complete.

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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Patrick Loughlin - different birth places
« Reply #11 on: Friday 13 June 08 15:47 UTC (UK) »
Yes that does seem the most likely reason for the two different place names.

Thankyou everyone i think now i may have narrowed it down to a much smaller area but like you say heywood so many Loughlin's, McLoughlin's and O'Loughlin's its just the start.

All i have is his birth (1861) his fathers name (also Patrick) and according to family a brother Thomas who left Ireland for America.

Look like a good reason to visit Ireland again one day
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LOUGHLIN - Galway, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
HOWARTH - Rochdale
IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
MAHER - London
BRIGGS - Doncaster
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