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lizdb
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But - if Caroline and Esther are different people, and Henry didnt marry Esther Margetts till 1898 as a widow with a family ..... does that imply Caroline was nee Margetts too - see what I'm getting at.
Could Esther and Caroline have been say sisters - when C died, Henry married E?
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Finch
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Hi Liz,
I never thought of that, I'll have to look for a birth record for a CAROLINE MARGETTS, I know that did happen sometimes, I couldn't find a marriage record though.
Regards, Joan
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FINCH Ickenham, Willesden
BARNES Isleworth, Marylebone
PERRY Marylebone
HEAPS Clerkenwell, Holborn
HOOPER Clerkenwell
FOX Norfolk
VICKERY Bristol, Somerset, Marylebone
WELTON Marylebone, Norfolk, Suffolk
HUMPHRIES Hillingdon, Surrey
SLADE Uxbridge
DELL Uxbridge
PLUMB Suffolk
BROOKS Bladon, Ox
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lizdb
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No evidence of a sister Caroline to the Esther and Emma we found earlier.
And I cant find a Henry Finch / Caroline marriage (Margetts or otherwise....) either.
....makes me want to spend more of your money on Bessie H M's birth cert!!!!
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lizdb
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Tati - who were Bessie's grandparents? Were they Henry's parents (Finch) or Carolines?
(saving that money I just "spent" for you!)
I just cant find that 1891 entry for her, that you found,at all.
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Tati
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1891
RG12/1030 141 41
Ealing, Middlesex
22 Ealing Rd
Robert Margetts, head, wid, 50, Carpenter, b. Oxfordshire? (can't read town)
Emma A, dau, s, 25, b. Gloucestershire Lachdale
Bessie, granddau, 3, b. Ealing
Vera, granddau, 2, b. do.
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"My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness" Desire and hunger is the fire I breathe Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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lizdb
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Thanks Tati, dont know why it didnt come up for me!
That certainly looks like the Robert who is the dad of Esther and Emma. (carpenter, bn Oxfordhire etc) that we had in earlier censuses.
SO - the big question is - Are Esther and Caroline one and the same person? In which case IS that marriage in 1898 the one, even though by then they had been together for many years and had numerous children.
OR are they sisters? In which case there should be a marriage for Caroline and then a death, before the Esther marriage in 1898.
Esther is clearly Esther Elizabeth - no hint of a Caroline there.
But no trace of a Caroline with the family in earlier censuses.
It is now getting to that point where you may have to get a cert or two to sort it.
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Finch
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Hi Liz & Tati,
You've both been great, I can't thank you enough for all your time. I'll send for Bessie's birth certificate and hope it doesn't take to long to arrive.
Thanks again.
Regards, Joan
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FINCH Ickenham, Willesden
BARNES Isleworth, Marylebone
PERRY Marylebone
HEAPS Clerkenwell, Holborn
HOOPER Clerkenwell
FOX Norfolk
VICKERY Bristol, Somerset, Marylebone
WELTON Marylebone, Norfolk, Suffolk
HUMPHRIES Hillingdon, Surrey
SLADE Uxbridge
DELL Uxbridge
PLUMB Suffolk
BROOKS Bladon, Ox
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Tati
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Found them!
1891
RG12/1025 109 4
Brentford Union Workhouse
Isleworth, Middlesex
Margets Esther, inmate, s, 27, Laundress, b. Stow Gloucestershire
Margets Harrold, 3 weeks, b. Isleworth
So Caroline and Esther are 2 different women. Still can't see a marriage for Henry and Caroline.
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the plot thickens....
Bessie - could belong to ANY child of Robert - Esther, Caroline or even Emma.
Alfred - is a child of Henry and Caroline (or so it seems)
Harold - is an illegitimate child of Esther
Bertie - N/K at present
Christabel and Eva - born after Henry and Esther's marriage, so one would presume that they are children of Henry and Esther.
All children end up with Henry and Esther, which suggests Caroline dies.
but I havnt found a death for her under Finch or Margetts.
Nor a marriage to Henry.
nor a birth for her - yet. I found Esther Elizabeth's (under I think it was Margarets) but no caroline in samw quarter, I did wonder if they were twins. Will look again.
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lizdb
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From full index
Birth
Jan/Feb/Mar 1861
Faringdon reg distr ref 2c 253
Esther Elizabeth Margaretts
Apr/May/Jun 1859
Caroline Edith Margretts
Linton Reg Distr ref 3b 571
Not sure about areas being right.
Going back to the early posts on this thread, it looked as though Esther's parents married after her birth, so it is possible that Caroline may have been registered in their mother's maiden name.
Sort of runs in the family... 
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