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What happened to Mary Hannah?
« on: Monday 09 June 08 05:33 BST (UK) »

Hi All,

I have tried in vain to trace what happened to Mary Hannah Holdsworth, born March quarter 1870, to parents Betsey and Charles Henry Holdsworth, in Bradford.

She appears on the 1871 and the 1881 census living in Manningham Bradford Yorkshire and then she disappears altogether.  I can't find a marriage or a death listing for her.

Betsey her Mother, died aged 34 of Ovarian Turnaround Exhaustion in 1886 and her brothers Thomas Henry (my Gt Grandfather) and Joseph William are listed with their Father in the 1891 census, lodging with Harriet Wade nee Pemberton, who he later married. Mary Hannah would have been 21 by then and so it would be understandable that she wouldn't be there - but where is she?  She's such a mystery, because she was 5 years older than her brothers, born when her Mother was just 18!  Then a 5 year gap - feels like there must be a story here!

I have spoken to every living relative who knew Tom and Joe, her brothers, but not one person knew that there was ever a Mary Hannah!

Could some kind person check for me to see if there's something I've missed.  I will be in England in August and will check the grave yards, but it would be good to have more of an idea to go on if possible.

Kind regards,
Jill

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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 June 08 08:14 BST (UK) »

Free BMD has a marriage for Mary Hannah Holdsworth:

march 1886, Bradford w. Yorks, 9b/218


Possible husbands are:

Arthur Miller
Alfred Rhodes

Any use?

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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 June 08 08:21 BST (UK) »

Thanks Jen, but this would have made her barely 16 and there is nothing that really confirms either of these 2 as her husband, such as census records. Plus it just seems a little odd that she would marry as her Mother lay dying, but maybe not?Huh

I appreciate your help though!  It seems she just disappeared into thin air. 

Cheers,
Jill
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 June 08 08:31 BST (UK) »

Sixteen wasn't out of the ordinary for marriage so don't rule it out.

There is also this one:
Bradford W Yorks 9b 86 Dec 1898
Possibles: Charles Wilson or William Brook

and

June 1894 9b 124
Mary Hannah L Holdsworth
to:
William Edward Mortimer or James Grandage

Either of those would mean that she should be around on the 1891 census under her maiden name.

There is a Mary Hannah marrying in Keighley in 1889. It's not very far away so might be worth considering.

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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 June 08 09:36 BST (UK) »

Hi Jen,

The 1889 marriage in Keighley, is definitely worth pursuing!  I just checked my cousin's tree on Ancestry, as she has the details from certificates document and it seems that Mary Hannah's Mother was born in Keighley and so it's possible that she would have relatives and friends there.

My cousin and I have contemplated the other options before and although we're certainly not ruling them out altogether, there is no real evidence of a Wilson, Brook, Grandage or a Mortimer fit!  I haven't come across a Keighley match before though.  Do you have any further details for me to follow up on.  I have access to Ancestry, but as I am in Australia, I have very little other resources.

Cheers,
Jill
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 June 08 09:40 BST (UK) »

Here you are:

Sep 1889, Keighley, 9a/315

Holdsworth Mary Hannah, to either:

Murtough, Thomas
Porter, Henry

Good Luck.

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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 June 08 10:15 BST (UK) »

Thanks Jen, I will check this out now and let you know how I go!!
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 June 08 10:26 BST (UK) »

No match unfortunately Jen, the birth date is way off!  She's just a real mystery.  Gut feel says she may have died before adulthood as my Dad knew his Grandfather and Uncle Joe very well and they were alive right into his adult years, yet he is sure that they never mentioned her.  He has even tried to remember if she might have gone by another name eg. Polly! 

I've emailed Scholemoor Cemetry where Charles Henry and his Grandaughter are buried to see if she's listed as being there as well, but I haven't heard back yet.

Thanks
Jill
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 June 08 10:38 BST (UK) »

Hi Jill

Slightly off topic, but do you think the cause of death of Betsey would be

1.Ovarian Tumour
2.Exhaustion.

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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 09 June 08 11:00 BST (UK) »

Ah! I wonder! I'll get the death certificate out again and re-check!  I must admit the writing on it is a bit hard to read.

Jill  Cheesy
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 09 June 08 11:12 BST (UK) »

Hi Lizzie,

On reading this again what looks like an rn is most probably a flourished um.  Tumour certainly makes medical sense.   Tongue  Roll Eyes

Funnily, the other didn't seem that stange to me, I thought that it might have been a polite way of saying "pregnant too many times" LOL!!!

thanks for pointing it out!  Cheesy Grin

Jill
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 09 June 08 11:16 BST (UK) »

I thought the same as you. It seemed a strange way of phrasing it but I was quite ready to accept it as a cause of death. Just goes to show, it needs a person with a brain to do this!

Hopefully I will be more alert once the caffeine kicks in.

Jen
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 June 08 11:41 BST (UK) »

You're right Jen, nothing beats experience with this family history business.  I'm constantly having to laugh at the basic mistakes I make all the time.  It's so much fun though and so very addictive!!!!  Grin
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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 June 08 11:52 BST (UK) »

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it needs a person with a brain to do this!

No it was just that I tried to find out what ovarian turnaround could be and couldn't find anything, then as I have a lot of female ancestors who seemed to die around the 1880s to 1900s with ovarian tumour, I just thought, perhaps that was it.

I can't believe there was an epidemic of ovarian tumours, I wonder if sometimes it was misdiagnosed at that time.

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Re: What happened to Mary Hannah?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 June 08 12:11 BST (UK) »

Yes Lizzie, I'm sure they were often misdiagnosed.

Betsey worked in the mills and would have been exposed to all the pollution that went hand in hand with textile production at that time, as well as the stress of long hours and looking after a family, whilst carrying and miscarrying babies continuously!!!  I would think that many of the women at that time died of work and environmentally caused disease. It just wouldn't have been politically smart for doctors to blame the mill owners!!! Easier to diagnose a tumour!

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