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Gadget
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 10:37 UTC (UK) »

The one that I found was the only Cordelia Wigley in Aberayron in 1841/51 and was most likely the one who died in 1852.

From where did you get the information on their move to Wales?


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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 12:51 UTC (UK) »

Hello Gadget

I have been doing the Clunne history for a long time and when I found Cordelia had married in London at the same time as Thomas I passed the info onto other members of the same family. It was from one of these that I heard Cordelia had gone to Aberayron in Wales -

I have to say that more recent info says they had come from Scotland - (haven't followed that one yet) but my mother-in-law had said many, many years ago that 'uncle George Clunne' had said the family came from France, and even had a Castle there!(the closest I found in France was the Cluny monastery at Macon, founded 1910 by Duke William of Aquitaine!Of course the name is a 'place name' connected to the re-formed Benedictine monasteries. Uncle George was a first generation born Aussie who had met the family of Clunne's in England when he served in France & Gallipoli WW1 - he returned with gifts of jewellery from the family, but where they lived I have no idea.

I thought the Welsh version was the most promising as the name shows up early there - plus the Pryce (ap Rhys?) second name is Welsh is it not?

It appears that adding two and two in Genealogy sometimes gets three!
MC

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London, Eng: Clunne;
Kent, Eng: Clunne, Outred, Piplar;
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 14:10 UTC (UK) »

I think the Scottish 'bit' is a bit of a red herring. On the 1841 index, it says that she was born Scotland but the index is clearly  'N' (not born county) and a squiggle in the Country column which has been wrongly interpreted as S for Scotland. On the 1851, it is clearly Middlesex.

George was b. Cumber land. Could John Wigley have been in the Army? - maybe try the Nat Archives catalogue - WO series.

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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 14:46 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gadget could the 1851 read Camberwell....mistranscribed

In 1861 RG9 Piece 4192 Folio 70; Page 15
Aberayron, Llanddewi Aberarth

George Jas Wigley 68, wid, supervisor registar & Huh office, Camberwell, Surrey
+ 2 servants

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Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Flynn - Ireland
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 14:49 UTC (UK) »

It was very faint - I'll go have another look and maybe fiddle with the levels on the image.

Back soon!
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 14:56 UTC (UK) »

Definitely Cumberland - I'm trying to put it into Imageshack to put it up here but it's slow.  It could have been that the enumerator copied into the book wrongly.

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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 15:00 UTC (UK) »

Here it is - I upped the dark  Smiley





but notice that Surrey has been crossed out and Cumberland put in . i bet it's an enumerator error  Shocked
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 15:09 UTC (UK) »

I agree... looks like Surrey crossed out, prob an enumerator error

Cannot find a death for George in the area, there do seem to be a lot of coincidences between names/places

As Gadget suggested, possible army records, may hold a key..

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Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Flynn - Ireland
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 15:18 UTC (UK) »

I am not sure what happened then. I posted an answer to your question but it seems not to have gone through.

I was saying that I knew a lot about the Piplars and the children of Thomas Pryce Clunne and Ann Piplar (the Piplars had a Coach Building Business) and the daughter Cordelia Clunne married William Lees the son of the wealthy 'roller door manufacturers' of Lancashire...and Lees link to Jonahan Wroe, the leader of the Christian Israelite Church.

I cannot get back any further on Thomas Pryce Clunne and Cordelia Pryce Clunne...
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Kent, Eng: Clunne, Outred, Piplar;
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 15:24 UTC (UK) »

So you are saying that Cordelia Wigley was born in Middlesex for sure?

That would be in keeping with the marriage taking place there.

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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 15:27 UTC (UK) »

I will check the Army link tomorrow - it is getting late down here 1:26 AM

thanks for all your help

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London, Eng: Clunne;
Kent, Eng: Clunne, Outred, Piplar;
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 15:34 UTC (UK) »

As you can see from the part 1851 census Gadget posted her pob is listed as Middlesex and then something crossed by the enumerator, to check who is who go back to the 1851 Gadet posted.... they are in list order

Good luck,

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Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Flynn - Ireland
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 16:54 UTC (UK) »

Back online  on my laptop after major internet security changes on my PC.

It looks a bit like Isleworth.  I'll see if I can enhance it when the desktop's finished all of  it's changes.


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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 10 June 08 17:36 UTC (UK) »

I've now enlarged the place in Middlesex.



it's something worth, I'm sure  Undecided
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Re: Census lookup 1841/1851 Aberayron
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 11 June 08 13:39 UTC (UK) »

 Huh hmmm Isleworth or something ending with Worth - I will think about that one.

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