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Topic: 1841 Look-up MILLER please help, I'm stumped ! (Read 605 times)
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chris_1
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Please could someone kindly look-up Ebenezer MILLER in 1841. He was a witness to a Marriage in 1831 at St Luke's Old Charlton.
I would very much like to find out what the relationship was between the groom Jeremiah MILLER and Ebenezer.
This may help me to make a connection with my research family , or possibly discount him as an ancestor.
Many thanks
Chris
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BENNETT, Acton, Staffordshire. DAVIES, Pwhelli, Wales, DODD, Bunbury, Cheshire. FIELDING, Glossop, Derbyshire, FOULKES, Denbigh. HAMSON, Leek, Staffs, HANNAFORD, Marlborough, Devon, HAYES, Woodbridge, Suffolk, HUTTON, Stapleton, Bristol, LLOYD, Denbigh, Wales, MILLER, Greenwich, Kent, PARKER, Sibsey, Lincolnshire. REVITT, Manchester, and SYKES, Rastrick, Yorks. Any census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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lizdb
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In some ways this is a non starter (!) as there is no guarantee the Ebenezer Miller who witnessed the marriage in 1831 was still alive in 1841!
However, going through those Ebenezers that are on 1841 -
-there are several that are born after 1831
-there is one in Yorkshire and one in Somerset.
-there is one with no age or details at all, just listed as a Haymaker at a farm in Islington (Islington must have changed a lot since 1841, cant see anyone making much hay there now)
AND there is this one:
HO107 690 5
Angel Terrace Hammersmith
Ebenezer Miller 35 Whitesmith not bn in county
Elizabeth 30 Y
Caroline 8 Y
Edward 6 Y
Thomas 4 Y
Elizabeth 18mths Y
...but whether that is the one who is your witness who knows?
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chris_1
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Hi Liz
This is a tricky one- I knew it was a long shot with so little to go on ! Is there any chance that Jeremiah could be found in 1841? 
If he is the correct one he would have been born out of county, and be about 35yrs old with wife named Mary Ann.
Many thanks for your help so far.
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BENNETT, Acton, Staffordshire. DAVIES, Pwhelli, Wales, DODD, Bunbury, Cheshire. FIELDING, Glossop, Derbyshire, FOULKES, Denbigh. HAMSON, Leek, Staffs, HANNAFORD, Marlborough, Devon, HAYES, Woodbridge, Suffolk, HUTTON, Stapleton, Bristol, LLOYD, Denbigh, Wales, MILLER, Greenwich, Kent, PARKER, Sibsey, Lincolnshire. REVITT, Manchester, and SYKES, Rastrick, Yorks. Any census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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lizdb
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HO107 659 9
Guildford Street Clerkenwell
Jeremiah Miller 35 Gt? Postman N
Mary 40
Henry 10
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lizdb
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Here is Jeremiah in 1851:
HO107 1519 48 26
Clerkenwell
Jeremiah 47 Letter carrier GPO bn Suffolk Heworth??
May 56 bn Clerkenwell
Harry 19 Clark wine merchant bn Clerkenwell
(Where does Kent come in to it?!!)
Can't find Ebenezer in 1851
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chris_1
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Many thanks for your help.
The family I am researching moved from Brighton to Greenwich, Kent, where subsequent children were christened in St Alphage church , some married in the area and settled there.
I am trying to make a connection with a sibling who moved away and I have been unable to link him to the rest of the family.
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BENNETT, Acton, Staffordshire. DAVIES, Pwhelli, Wales, DODD, Bunbury, Cheshire. FIELDING, Glossop, Derbyshire, FOULKES, Denbigh. HAMSON, Leek, Staffs, HANNAFORD, Marlborough, Devon, HAYES, Woodbridge, Suffolk, HUTTON, Stapleton, Bristol, LLOYD, Denbigh, Wales, MILLER, Greenwich, Kent, PARKER, Sibsey, Lincolnshire. REVITT, Manchester, and SYKES, Rastrick, Yorks. Any census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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lizdb
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IGI has a christeneing for Jeremiah Miller, 11 Sept 1803, Ixworth, Suffolk. Parents Thomas and Mary.
Siblings appear to be:
William chr 1777
Lydia chr 1798
George chr 1799
Thomas ch 1800
Jeremiah chr 1803
Henry chr 1807
no sign of any Ebenezer in Jeremiah's immediate family.
(Jeremiah does not come from Kent or Brighton)
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chris_1
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I don't think this is the correct Jeremiah 
The Jeremiah I am looking for was Baptized at St Nicholas, Brighton in 1805. With a brother named Nehemiah baptized 1809. The sons of Jeremiah MILLER and Lucy ( nee WATERMAN)
The Charlton marriage of Jeremiah and Mary Ann could be of the person born in Ixworth, Suffolk .
I thought he was a possibility for my ancestor as he married in the same church as William ( Nehemiah) MILLER but only five months later.
William (Nehemiah) was living in Greenwich from 1841 onwards. Born in Sussex, Brighton.
There is, of course, the possibility that Jeremiah died in infancy
Hope I have not confused you further!
Thanks again for helping
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BENNETT, Acton, Staffordshire. DAVIES, Pwhelli, Wales, DODD, Bunbury, Cheshire. FIELDING, Glossop, Derbyshire, FOULKES, Denbigh. HAMSON, Leek, Staffs, HANNAFORD, Marlborough, Devon, HAYES, Woodbridge, Suffolk, HUTTON, Stapleton, Bristol, LLOYD, Denbigh, Wales, MILLER, Greenwich, Kent, PARKER, Sibsey, Lincolnshire. REVITT, Manchester, and SYKES, Rastrick, Yorks. Any census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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chris_1
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You are probably right 
I have never posted on that board before. Come to think of it I have a couple of certificates that drew blanks in the past !
The search goes on - where do I begin 
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BENNETT, Acton, Staffordshire. DAVIES, Pwhelli, Wales, DODD, Bunbury, Cheshire. FIELDING, Glossop, Derbyshire, FOULKES, Denbigh. HAMSON, Leek, Staffs, HANNAFORD, Marlborough, Devon, HAYES, Woodbridge, Suffolk, HUTTON, Stapleton, Bristol, LLOYD, Denbigh, Wales, MILLER, Greenwich, Kent, PARKER, Sibsey, Lincolnshire. REVITT, Manchester, and SYKES, Rastrick, Yorks. Any census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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casalguidi
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HO107 690 5
Angel Terrace Hammersmith
Ebenezer Miller 35 Whitesmith not bn in county
Elizabeth 30 Y
Caroline 8 Y
Edward 6 Y
Thomas 4 Y
Elizabeth 18mths Y
Unfortunately, that Ebenezer MILLER appears to be deceased by 1851 so no clues there
1851
Chapel Street, Hammersmith, Middlesex
Elizabeth RALEY mother wid 67 washerwoman b.Hammersmith
Elizabeth MILLER dau wid 42 laundress b.Hammersmith
Thomas son 14 b.Hammersmith
Elizabeth dau 11 b.Hammersmith
HO107/1470 folio 198 page 46
Elizabeth RALEY is also sharing the property with them in 1841 age 50 charwoman b.Middlesex
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1861
1 Rosedale Cottages, Hammersmith, Middlesex
Eliz. MILLER head wid 52 laundress b.Hammersmith
Thomas MILLER son unm 23 ornamental draftsman b.Hammersmith
Eliz. dau unm 21 b.Hammersmith
RG9/25 folio 126 page 29
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It would appear that they were non-conformists as the children appear to have been baptised in the baptist church at Hammersmith ie. Caroline Elizabeth 1833, Edward Jeremiah 1835, Thomas Ebenezer 1837 http://www.familysearch.org
There is also this reference to an Ebenezer MILLER in the London area:
Pallots marriage index: Ebenezer MILLER widower and Mary WILSON (spinster of St Andrew, City of Edinburgh) banns 24 Apr 1831 St Matthew, Bethnal Green. Wit: Adam WILSON, Marian RUTHERFORD, Henry RUTHERFORD.
Casalguidi
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lizdb
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But if the Jeremiah Miller who married MAry is the wrong one (cos it turns out he was born in Suffolk) then the Ebenezer who is a witness on that marriage cert is irrelevaant - isnt he?? 
Is not the next step for Chris's family research to go back to the Jeremiah who is 'his' - born Sussex - and try to find what DID happen to him? - ruling out the marriage in Charlton to Mary Ann.
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casalguidi
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Having looked for Jeremiah no end of times, I may have come up with something ................. I think this family is a good possibility ie. Mary (wife of Samuel CLIBBON) was previously married to Jeremiah MILLER:
1841
Greenwich, Kent
Samuel CLIBBON? 40 lab not born in Kent
Mary 25 b.Kent
Charles 6 b.Kent
Mary 4 b.Kent
Lucy MILLER 9 b.Kent
HO107/489 folio 51 page 15
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1851
49 Morden St., Greenwich
Samuel CLIBBON head mar 57 Greenwich pensioner labourer at engineers b.St Luke Middlesex
Mary A wife 38 b.Greenwich
Charles J son 16 b.Greenwich
Mary A dau 14 b.Greenwich
Louisa J dau 8 b.Greenwich
Lucy A MILLER dau in law unm 19 laundress b.Greenwich
HO107/1586 folio 561 page 41
There is a Lucy Ann Elizabeth MILLER (dau of Jeremiah & Elizabeth) baptised Greenwich 1832 http://www.familysearch.org - could the mother's name of Elizabeth (rather than Mary) be a mistake in the IGI baptism entry I wonder as the daughter of Mary CLIBBON late MILLER did marry as Lucy Ann Elizabeth MILLER (she married Thomas ROLFE) http://www.familysearch.org and appears to have died soon afterwards (Mary Ann CLIBBON has a grandson Thomas ROLFE with her in later census so quite likely he was Lucy's son) http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Mary Ann MILLER married Samuel CLIBBON 1833 St Paul Deptford http://www.familysearch.org so really quite a short window for the death of Jeremiah MILLER ie. 1831-1833. This Mary Ann would be born about 1812 Greenwich and I notice there is a Mary Ann SEAGO (the name of the lady who married Jeremiah MILLER in 1831 at Charlton) baptised 1812 Greenwich http://www.familysearch.org
So it looks like the 1831 marriage is the correct one doesn't it
Casalguidi 
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chris_1
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Many thanks Casalguidi and Liz
I appreciate all the work you have put in on this It really does help to have someone to bounce ideas off and who has so much research knowledge.
So it is possible that Jeremiah had a very short Marriage to Mary Ann (Seago) (Incidentally Elizabeth Seago was also a witness at the marriage)
Was she the sister ? or mother of the Bride?
If Jeremiah died after a very short marriage then why cant we find any record of his death?
Who was Ebenezer?
How could Lucy Ann be a daughter -in -law if she was unmarried?
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