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colliecuts
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Further to Joseys transcription , I can make out the following on the photograph
" THE RT HON EARL " and " SECRETARY OF STATE "
for me this is the animal
Al
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emmsthheight
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Hi All
Thank You! for your input! It seems like it's getting closer. There's something not right here though, or something's changed.
I can't actually see a memorial on the chuch, but brilliant idea. Have we got two memorials designed and possibly made by the same form and possibly even unveiled on the same day?
I think the one I found last night is probably the renovated and possibly altered version of the one from Channel four.
The one on my link of some unearthly hour last night, has almost the some plinth, and the same dedication in the same place and the saame lettering, but the names are different. Date seems to be the same.
Could there have been one at the church by the same people?
Or the other alternative, was there another board on the back with other names on, who also well? William Diggle definitely died, and he is on the first one?
By the way, I'm finding this fascinating, but if anyone's got more than they bargained for, do feel free to drop out! I'm starting to feel a bit guilty sitting here doing very little!
Thank you all again.
Best wishes
Emms
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emmsthheight
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Hi Al
Thank you for those pearls of wisdom.
I was trying to think of a christion name that would fit in where you've got Rt Hon.
Emms
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josey
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I think the picture on the bujold site in link in reply #42 is of the front [this also shows the repairs detailed in Annie's reply #43 - clever to find that!!!] & your pic is of another side [I suggest the left side as you look at the front with the 'To the Enduring Memory...inscription as you can see the houses behind & I can't see an inscription on th eright had side]. There seems to be an inscription in larger letters going across the top of the name columns in both your pic & the bujold one - this could say that the men were from a particular area, or another regiment, or died in a particular battle etc. So there seem to be 3 columns of names on each of at least 3 sides each in its own alphabetical order. I can't see which one has the later names though.
I live in West Yorkshire so I can see me paying a visit to see it after all this brain ache!! Ha Ha!!
Josey
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IRELAND; Cavan, Cork: MURRAY, HOLLAND Meath: LYNCH Westmeath ALLEN, BRENNAN Dublin ALLEN, McGINTY, PENROSE Unknown: DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS
87th REGIMENT Royal Irish Fusiliers:MURRAY
ENGLAND; Marylebone HAYTER, TROUSDALE, TROWSDALE Cornwall HAMPTON, TREMELLING W Yorkshire CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD
CANADA; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE; Quebec [Montreal], Ontario ALLEN, O'DRISCOLL
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emmsthheight
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Hi Josie
Now, that looks like it could make sense!
Thank you for putting in the time to compare them. Especially from across the Pennines! Ironically, I put Diggle in, on the link above and got about seventeen, one of them a W Diggle. It wasn't this one though, but he was in West Yorkshire!
I must admit, a couple of things have occured to me since this afternoo, One thing put me off the church idea. I've just been putting photo's etc of a local church war memorial, and there's an exhortation to prayer on the top, which of courxse there often is. This one just has exactly the same at the top as the part of Collyhurst that we can see.
Also, the one I'm doing is mitred, whiere as the one in my photograph has parallel columns which isn't actually that usual, and it would fit with it being part of multifaced base.
Good thinking!
Certainly there are family connections with St Patrick's Livesy Street, in that area, so it all adds up.
Now all we need is some kind person in Salford to check it out for us! - if they haven't spent too long on it already!
thank you very much, onr and all!
Best wishes
Emms
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MancsMan
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emmsthheight
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Hi Ken
Can't wait for the photo's!
Get back later.
Emms
Wow! It worked!
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liverpool annie
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Woohoo !! ... wait till Josey sees .... she'll say ... I told you so !! 
Nice job you guys !!
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celia
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seems i am a bit late but took ages 
FROM THE TOP
One. ? McDonald
two E.? MURPHY
Four. ? MARTIN
Six ? MOORE
Nine J.W. NIXON
Eleven J NAYLOR
Twelve P.D Connor but could be o’connor
Fourteen T.D. SULLIVAN
Fifteen I or L OLDFIELD
16 J.P.PARRY
17 ?? PARRY
23. P DIGBY OR RIGBY
24 D OLDMOND
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MancsMan
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I have sent Emms 3 high res photos of the memorial
Had to resize and reduce quality of one of them for this posting, but hope you like it
Celia
How many did you get right I had a go "not easy"
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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celia
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What a great monument out of the 13 i could read with my magnifying glass i got 10 surenames right with three nearly rights;D
Celia
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emmsthheight
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Hi all.
Wow! What can I say? With cooperation like this, who needs mp's?
Seriouslly, thank you one and all. I know some people spent a long time looking up names. It's really appreciated.
Ken, the photo's are brilliant and will be much enjoyed by the family and sleuths young and old alike!
So I gather we've been going in circles round the right monument, looking at it from a different side and angle.
So this is the other side or another side of the same monument as the ones
on the other sites then?
So when Channel four got their names from Manchester City Council, they only got a small number of them. There will be a lot more than the 52 on their site!
Am I right in thinking then that this is in a park, if I can be dare to ask yet another question after all that hard work!
Thank you again. I really enjoyed the research even though I didn't do anything!
Best wishes
Emms
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MancsMan
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Emms
It is not located in a park, just a small grassy area - all four side have dozens of names wrote on them
Debbie
Not had your email yet
Regards
Ken
ps
opps just seen what I wrote on the photo "side side" should have been "this side"
Sorry I had to remove the Google Earth photo as I had breached Googles Copyright using it on Rootschat.
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 02 December 08 13:21 UTC (UK) by MancsMan »
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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josey
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Only just got in to look at photos - amazing stuff Ken. A case of many brains doing plenty of forensic surfing...and coming up with the goods. And one kind man actually 'attending the premises'. Brilliant map...we should open a detective agency!!! Ha Ha.
Josey
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IRELAND; Cavan, Cork: MURRAY, HOLLAND Meath: LYNCH Westmeath ALLEN, BRENNAN Dublin ALLEN, McGINTY, PENROSE Unknown: DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS
87th REGIMENT Royal Irish Fusiliers:MURRAY
ENGLAND; Marylebone HAYTER, TROUSDALE, TROWSDALE Cornwall HAMPTON, TREMELLING W Yorkshire CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD
CANADA; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE; Quebec [Montreal], Ontario ALLEN, O'DRISCOLL
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