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goldy
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #75 on: Friday 26 June 09 21:50 UTC (UK) »

I found a pic pre restoration. http://images.manchester.gov.uk/web/pages/common/imagedisplay.php?irn=71840&reftable=ecatalogue&refirn=71380

http://images.manchester.gov.uk/web/pages/common/imagedisplay.php?irn=71841&reftable=ecatalogue&refirn=71381


http://images.manchester.gov.uk/Display.php?irn=71382&QueryPage=%2F
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #76 on: Friday 26 June 09 23:03 UTC (UK) »

Ooh!  After all this time!  Thank you for those links Goldie!

So cvan people who are local say, what the building on the right in the photo is?  I guess that means this is the Church of the Saviour?

Also, can we tell what date it is?

Best wishes

Emms
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goldy
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #77 on: Saturday 27 June 09 18:32 UTC (UK) »

the red brick building idsthe cinema/bingo hall.
Across the road the church now looks like this.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churchmap?T=SP,CCC=LAN,ID=SD8542700163


the pic said pre 1981.
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #78 on: Saturday 27 June 09 22:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi Goldy

Thank you again.

I'm getting a bit confused now though.  Do I gather that like many places round there, there's been some demolition, or are the memorial, and the church, both under those trees?

Has the church been knocked down too?

Thank you for all your efforts.  This is great.

Good night.

Emms
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Conductor Mike
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #79 on: Sunday 28 June 09 21:56 UTC (UK) »

Just a follow on to this one - The UK National Inventory of War Memorials has this memorial recorded, ref no 10721. The description on there provides additional references to articles etc. incl a story about interruptions to its cleaning in 2005! 

The entry also has no details of the 400+ boys named on the memorial, so when the photo's are circulating, please send copies of the names panels to:

UK National Inventory of War Memorials
Imperial War Museum
Lambeth Road
London SE1 6HZ

In the meantime, I've followed the story with great interest. Well done all concerned.

Thanks in advance.  Conductor Mike
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #80 on: Monday 29 June 09 09:21 UTC (UK) »

hiya guys.
the memorial,is for those who died in WW1,and also for those who served and survived
one of the names,thats been carved on the renovated memorial[j foco] has been mistranscribed,it should be J.HOGG.
some of these men are from collyhurst,new cross,newton heath and miles platting

heres two of them
pte 4513 herbert fleet
enlisted 16-1-16
aged 19
18th lancashire fusiliers
58 paget st,rochdale rd,manchester
parents richard+selina
occupation,pawnbrokers assistant
transferred to the 12th garrison battalion,north staffs regt
wounded 11-9-18
died of wounds,at 137th field ambulance,on 12-9-18

lance corporal 17433 herbert,andrew murdoch
enlisted 26-9-14
aged 32
15th royal scots
religion,CofE
worked as a packer on princess st,manchester
born salford
married miss annie moore at st.johns church,moston,on 3-6-11
son herbert,born 8-1-13
resided 278 collyhurst rd,manchester
father william,122 st simon st,salford
killed in action,1-7-16
his body was never found or identified,listed on the thiepval memorial

mack
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military history,mainly ww1,manchester pals battalions,tyneside irish +tyneside scottish brigades,leeds,liverpool,accrington,birmingham,hull,barnsley,swansea and salford pals.
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #81 on: Monday 29 June 09 09:55 UTC (UK) »

sgt 6769 frederick,joseph lawrenson[real name joseph,frederick]
enlisted 1-9-16
16th manchesters
aged 22
son of joseph+theresa
born new cross,manchester 1892
killed in action,30-7-17
mother sailed for canada from liverpool on the SS melita,on 19-4-1921,and lived at 5 mcalpine st,toronto,canada
his brother,pte 6518 james,henry lawrenson
also 16th manchesters
lived at 37 sherwood st,rochdale rd,manchester

mack
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military history,mainly ww1,manchester pals battalions,tyneside irish +tyneside scottish brigades,leeds,liverpool,accrington,birmingham,hull,barnsley,swansea and salford pals.
goldy
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #82 on: Monday 29 June 09 12:04 UTC (UK) »

On multimap you can get a birds eye view. The plot on the corner of eggington street and rochdale rd is the church. Across rochdale rd where it says burgin walk is the memorial.

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=collyhurst&countryCode=GB#map=53.49773,-2.22086|20|256&be=42613825|East&bd=useful_information&loc=GB:53.49771:-2.22096:17|eggington%20street|Eggington%20Street,%20Manchester,%20Lancashire,%20England,%20M40%207
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #83 on: Monday 29 June 09 16:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Mack

This is all fascinating stuff!  Amazing.  Thank you!

Goldy, thank you!

I faally got the picture - though Multimap shut my browser down.

Thank you.

Emms
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #84 on: Monday 29 June 09 16:14 UTC (UK) »

a couple more.
L/cpl 16779 walter durkin
8th northumberland fusiliers
son of george+mary,6 leigh st east,oldham rd,manchester
married edith in 1909
killed in action,on 26-9-16
aged 28

pte 8549 henry,w scrymgeour[harry]
lancashire fusiliers
33 inkerman st,collyhurst
transferred to RAOC as pte 032825
transferred to the army reserve in 1919
date of death unknown[possibly late august]
buried in phillips park cemetery,on 2-9-19
grave ref.L.consecrated.1277
aged 26
hes not listed on the CWGC,if his death was the result of his service during the war,then he will be entitled to war grave status,and a headstone can be erected

pte 1788 herbert philbin
12th manchesters
17 hamilton st,collyhurst[brother john]
parents,patrick+elizabeth
born.collyhurst
killed in action,on 18-9-18
aged 24

DM2/163909 richard,thomas stead
ASC
son of richard+elizabeth,38 hannah st,collyhurst
died in hospital at newbury on 24-2-17
aged 29
buried in manchester gen cemetery,on 1-3-17
grave ref.consecrated.5044

mack


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military history,mainly ww1,manchester pals battalions,tyneside irish +tyneside scottish brigades,leeds,liverpool,accrington,birmingham,hull,barnsley,swansea and salford pals.
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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #85 on: Monday 29 June 09 18:55 UTC (UK) »

Just passing so took these less than a hour ago

Looking at the monument from Eggington Street & the location of St Saviours.

Old church gone new carbuncal red brick church in it's place.

Ken

Ps
Will also do what Conductor Mike suggested


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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #86 on: Monday 29 June 09 20:09 UTC (UK) »

four more
pte 12166 henry middleton
16th lancs fusiliers
enlisted 1914
33 elizabeth ann st,collyhurst
died of wounds,on 12-7-16

pte 15923 joseph rice
8th kings own scottish borderers
enl sept 1914
4 brass st,rochdale rd,manchester
killed at loos,on 25-9-15
aged 19

L/cpl 29232 arthur lloyd
enlisted sept 1915
manchester regt[30022]
transferred to 9th loyal north lancs regt
11 upper vauxhall st,rochdale rd,manchester
killed at arras,on 10-4-17[only been in france 3 weeks]

pte 170635 william shaw
525th labour coy
51 harrowby st,collyhurst
formerly 3rd kings liverpool regt[pte 30712
accidentally killed at cologne,on 22-1-19

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Re: WW1 Memorial - Where?
« Reply #87 on: Monday 29 June 09 22:23 UTC (UK) »

hi Ken and Mack.

Thank you!  I'm really enjoying these!

No wonder I didn't recognise the church Ken, if it didn't look like the old one!

Good night

Emms
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