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alunno-a
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ah----that's where the Blaney name came from- saw it on some gravestones at Welbourne (can be both with and without the "e" I believe). Off to look at this-----
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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linclinks
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William Graves wife was Sarah Taylor,wed 1852,i wondered if the John and Robert Graves bapt.to William and Ann at Navenby,could be chilren of William and wife Ann Blaney
The John Graves b1825 at Navenby probably buried Apr 1826 at Navenby - I don't think that he was a child of William and Ann Blaney. I have found Robert living in Bedfordshire with his family in 1861 (indexed birthpace Newenly, Lincolnshire) and I871.
There was a marriage at Heckington in 1823 of a William Graves and Ann Footit
There is a baptism in 1804 of an Ann Footit and in April 1874 an Ann Graves of the right age was buried at Navenby.
The only sign of Ann (Footitt) Graves I can find is an Ann Graves of Navenby of the right age working as housekeeper for Peter Marriot at Doddington in 1851. She is recorded as married. Also in the household is John W Graves age 10 b at Temple Bruer - boarder.
I love thes mysteries!
Jacky
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My Maternal line are all from Lincolnshire - First Generations include:
Arliss, Armstrong, Baker, Borman, Cartwright, Clark, Dixon, Duckering, Everington, Forman, Freshney, Gadsby, Graves, Hatcliffe, Holmes, Jackson, Johnson, Knott, Lacey, Leverton, Lilley, Morton, Oades, Pacey, Priestley, Rickett, Riggall, Rowson, Shaw, Sleaford, Sleight, Smith, Spikin, Taylor, Thacker, Ticklepenny, Tomkins, Tyler, Walton, Ward, Willson, Wood and Wortley.
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linclinks
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ah----that's where the Blaney name came from- saw it on some gravestones at Welbourne (can be both with and without the "e" I believe). Off to look at this-----
Ann was probably the daughter of George Blaney who married Eliabeth Woodridge in Welbourn in 1790
Jacky
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My Maternal line are all from Lincolnshire - First Generations include:
Arliss, Armstrong, Baker, Borman, Cartwright, Clark, Dixon, Duckering, Everington, Forman, Freshney, Gadsby, Graves, Hatcliffe, Holmes, Jackson, Johnson, Knott, Lacey, Leverton, Lilley, Morton, Oades, Pacey, Priestley, Rickett, Riggall, Rowson, Shaw, Sleaford, Sleight, Smith, Spikin, Taylor, Thacker, Ticklepenny, Tomkins, Tyler, Walton, Ward, Willson, Wood and Wortley.
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tricky tree
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Anns parents were George and Elizabeth,i didn`t have her maiden name,she had three sisters,Elizabeth Marshall 1791,Alice 1793 and Mary 1794,Georges parents were George and Elizabeth nee Marshall who wed at Newark 6 June 1758
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linclinks
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Elizabeth Wooldridge 1766 dtr of Edward Wooldrige and Ann Burrell of Harmson died Mar 1836 at Welbourn
Jacky
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My Maternal line are all from Lincolnshire - First Generations include:
Arliss, Armstrong, Baker, Borman, Cartwright, Clark, Dixon, Duckering, Everington, Forman, Freshney, Gadsby, Graves, Hatcliffe, Holmes, Jackson, Johnson, Knott, Lacey, Leverton, Lilley, Morton, Oades, Pacey, Priestley, Rickett, Riggall, Rowson, Shaw, Sleaford, Sleight, Smith, Spikin, Taylor, Thacker, Ticklepenny, Tomkins, Tyler, Walton, Ward, Willson, Wood and Wortley.
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tricky tree
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Thanks for that Jacky,i got more children for Charles Graves,son of Welbeck,in 1891 he was living at Chis wife not present,Matthew is a farmer born at Carlton le Moorland age 50 Ann also 50 born Laxton Nottsalow Derbys.with wife Annie 39 born Renshaw Derbyshire,children Emily 19 Hasland,Eliza 12 Hasland,Maria A.8 Hasland,Fred 6 Brimington,John Thomas 5 Tapton,George Will.3 Calow,Nellie C.1 Calow and Mabel A.1 month Calow.Welbecks son John Thomas was living at Walton in 1871with Matthew and Ann Peck,down as son in law 1881 he is at Chesterfield with wife Mary A.and son Thomas William
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linclinks
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Thanks for that Jacky,i got more children for Charles Graves,son of Welbeck,in 1891 he was living at Chis wife not present,Matthew is a farmer born at Carlton le Moorland age 50 Ann also 50 born Laxton Nottsalow Derbys.with wife Annie 39 born Renshaw Derbyshire,children Emily 19 Hasland,Eliza 12 Hasland,Maria A.8 Hasland,Fred 6 Brimington,John Thomas 5 Tapton,George Will.3 Calow,Nellie C.1 Calow and Mabel A.1 month Calow.Welbecks son John Thomas was living at Walton in 1871with Matthew and Ann Peck,down as son in law 1881 he is at Chesterfield with wife Mary A.and son Thomas William
Well, that proved interesting.
Welbeck was buried in March 1865 in Swinderby and in Jul-Sep 1865 an Ann Graves married Matthew Peck in Newark District. No time for mourning! - but times were hard then.
Mathew was actually born circa 1824 at Carlton le Moorland son of Matthew Peck and Ann Bugg. In 1861 he is living with wife Ann and the two sons that are also with him in 1871. I believe that Matthews wife was Ann Rawson dtr of George and Ann b circa 1821.
Because of the simularity in Matthew Pecks wives names ie. Ann Rawson and Ann Pawson, I am wondering if Ann Pawson was also a Rawson and a possible relative. I have only seen a transcript of Welbecks marriage. Matthew Peck died 1897 and Ann Pawson his second wife in 1872 in Chesterfield District. I believe that she was economic with the truth about her age to the end.
Anyway, I have sussed out that Charles Graves married first Eliza Jane Pearson in 1870 in Newark District. She died 1880 in Chesterfield District. The 1881 Census reflects that Charles was a widower. Charles next married Annie Jennings 13 Jun 1881 in Ashover, Derbyshire. Charles died 1900 in Chesterfield District and Annie is shown as a widow in the 1901 Census. One extra child Annie F b 1895 in Calow.
As you say John Thomas was with his mother and Stepfather in 1871. He married Mary Ann Shaw in 1874 in Chesterfield District. They had a son John Welbeck Graves in 1876. In 1891 John Welbeck Graves was living with his Uncle George Shaw. It looks as though John Welbeck Graves moved to Staffordshire as there is a marriage there in 1903.
John Thomas Graves died 1885 in Chesterfield District.
Best regards
Jacky
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My Maternal line are all from Lincolnshire - First Generations include:
Arliss, Armstrong, Baker, Borman, Cartwright, Clark, Dixon, Duckering, Everington, Forman, Freshney, Gadsby, Graves, Hatcliffe, Holmes, Jackson, Johnson, Knott, Lacey, Leverton, Lilley, Morton, Oades, Pacey, Priestley, Rickett, Riggall, Rowson, Shaw, Sleaford, Sleight, Smith, Spikin, Taylor, Thacker, Ticklepenny, Tomkins, Tyler, Walton, Ward, Willson, Wood and Wortley.
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tricky tree
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Thanks,so when John was down as son in law,it should have been step son.Robert Graves and Elizabeth Bakers daughter Mary wed a George Bugg at Bassingham on 11 April 1839,i wonder if he was any relation to Ann Bugg
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alunno-a
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Found some notes I took on a visit to Welbourn/e churchyard-they give a few dates of the Graves/Blaney family---
1) William Graves died March 2nd 1898 aged 70 and his wife Sarah died Jan 31st 1907 aged 79. (this should be William the son of William Graves and Ann Blaney)
2) Ellen Elizabeth "Nellie"- dau of above, died Dec 3rd 1885 aged 21
3) Charles- third son of Wm and Sarah G died Feb 18th 1897 aged 38, stone erected by his daughter Louisa
4) Julia Ann fourth dau of Wm and Sarah, died June 2nd 1940, aged 76
5) Ann Graves dau of George and Elizabeth BLANEY died April 27th 18?? (Looks like 65 but should be 33)
aged 45- stone erected by her "surviving sisters"
6) Elizabeth the wife of George Blaney died March 14th 1836 aged 70 years
7) William GRAVES (prob husband of Ann Blaney) died 7th Jan 1851 aged 63
 Sarah GRAVES ( prob 2nd wife of above Wm ) died Nov 24th 1864 aged 65
And- a brilliant headstone----
9) GEORGE BLANEY, Yeoman of this Parish who died 23rd June 1832 aged 71 years. "he cultivated the same fields which his ancestors had done for three centuries before him and here his bones rest with his Fathers. His afflicted Widow and children being removed from the place endeared by so many recollections erect this stone as a tribute to a Husband and Father of whom it may be truly said....." (verse)
Get that!! do you think the family were evicted from the farm and were making some sort of point here???
Sally
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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alunno-a
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forgive the smiley face in above- no idea how it got there, and cant remove it. should say "eight" 8
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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tricky tree
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Sally i think they probably were,i think George and Elizabeth Blaney had only daughters and with no son to take over the land,i would think they would have been evicted,to allow another tenant to take over the farm,or small holding.Its interesting that Ann Graves sisters put up her headstone and not her husband William
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tricky tree
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Sally,iv`e just checked my tree,Charles son Robert was born in Salford in 1890,so i wonder if the family took his body back to Welbourne to be buried
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alunno-a
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Yes, I suppose the body could have been taken back- but the headstones I have numbered 1-3 all begin "In Loving Memory Of"- ( and 4- IMO)so just possible that one or more are just memorials, and are buried elsewhere. anyone got a burial register transcript??
The eviction from farms when there is no adult male heir is interesting. I think that may explain the mystery of what happened to the youngest brother of Welbeck and William Graves. My 3x great grandfather Job Graves was a tennant farmer at Thurlby- he left a will leaving the tennancy to his eldest son Edward White Graves, with Welbeck as executor, instructions that if EWG mis-managed the farm, or could not inherit it was to pass to the 2nd son Job William. But 3 years after his death the widow and children (minus Edward who has disappeared) were all at Louth, and Mary the widow was described as a Pauper- out door relief. So I assume that Edward must have died shortly after his father- though have not found it yet-- and Job William,and the other children ( which included another son Charles-under age) were deemed unfit to inherit the tennancy (?)
Sally
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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tricky tree
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Sally,iv`e checked 1901 census and found Charles widow Louisa at Boultham Lincs.she had re-married to a John Thomas Cox and had a daughter Lucy born Boultham,but also living with them were four children born after 1891,including Lizzie and Herbert,both born Welbourne,new marriage was in Dec.quarter 1898 reg.at Sleaford
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linclinks
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Thanks,so when John was down as son in law,it should have been step son.Robert Graves and Elizabeth Bakers daughter Mary wed a George Bugg at Bassingham on 11 April 1839,i wonder if he was any relation to Ann Bugg
I have not found a connection with the Buggs - George's father born circa 1777 and I cant see a relevant baptism. He was buried in 1850 in South Hykeham. There is a stong Bassingham connection and serindipity play eventually pay its part.
I did find that Elizabeth Graves was widowed in 1846 and she then married John Roe in South Hykeham in 1852.
I have updated Rootsweb with latest finds
Jacky
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My Maternal line are all from Lincolnshire - First Generations include:
Arliss, Armstrong, Baker, Borman, Cartwright, Clark, Dixon, Duckering, Everington, Forman, Freshney, Gadsby, Graves, Hatcliffe, Holmes, Jackson, Johnson, Knott, Lacey, Leverton, Lilley, Morton, Oades, Pacey, Priestley, Rickett, Riggall, Rowson, Shaw, Sleaford, Sleight, Smith, Spikin, Taylor, Thacker, Ticklepenny, Tomkins, Tyler, Walton, Ward, Willson, Wood and Wortley.
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