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Ding
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I have in my possesion a jug with "Jane Trindade 1831" painted on it. Through some of my late mothers correspondence I have learned that she was Jane Gertrude Johns of Crantock. I believe she married a Joseph Lourissco da Trindade maybe in Falmouth. He is described as a Merchant on her death Cert.
The interesting part is that I believe, at some stage,she ended up in a harem, and escaped by bribing the guards with jewelery. The story goes that she was smuggled out in a wine barrel to the waiting boat skippered by a Thomas Johns.
She evidently had a dark skinned son (maybe Joseph) and lived her days out till 9 Mar 1872 in Crantock. She died at Church Farm Crantock.
I would like to know where the harem was, what happened to her husband, was the boats captain her brother and what happened to her son.
Ding
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krisesjoint
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Hi Ding,
Unfortunately I can't verify any of it. I can tell you there is no entry in the Crantock registers for this alleged son. No baptism, no burial. This article states she was a young woman but I have been over the register closely and nothing. There is no marriage listed in Cornwall, but if the story is true I doubt there was a marriage. If there was perhaps in this foreign land 
Jane did have a brother Thomas bap 1 May 1803. 1841 and 1851 it looks like he is an accountant in savings bank in Falmouth and in 1861 secretary and actuary Falmouth Savings Bank, so does not seem likely he was a captain. Her brother William was however a Master Mariner.
This article says she was rescued by her brother Thomas.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CORNISH/2006-08/1156849746
Perhaps you should try to contact the author if you have not already done so. He may have further information. The burial on 14 March 1872 lists her as Jane Gertrude Trinidade aged 72 years of Crantock . It certainly is a fascinating story and it would be good to get to the bottom of it. Good Luck ............Cheers Kris 
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krisesjoint
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Forgot to mention - the other thing that crosses my mind is this description of her husband as Joseph Lourisico Da Trinidad(e).......I wonder if his name may have been something Like Joseph LOURISICA and he was described as da Trinidad (of Trinidad) Now you have record of him as a merchant and a wealthy merchant would probably describe himself as of somewhere. Name too hard to say so for respectability she just became Jane Trinidad. True or untrue the family needed to find some respectability for Jane and her situation particularly if she did in fact have a dark skinned son and he died unbaptised and the locals knew about it. The Johns were a very respectable family. I am sure they would not have wanted it known that Jane had been used and abused in a harem........Kris
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althea
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Hi
Yes think Kris is definitely on to something with the da/de of
Up to 1800's it was very common in the registers to see surname de (Place) for many people in the parish..so this could have been a latin continuation.
Census 1871
45,,1,William Martyn,Head,U,35,,Farmer 125a Emp 3 Men 1 Boy,Crantock Cornwall,,
,,,Jane Trinidad,Aunt,W,,71,Annuitant,Crantock Cornwall,,
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/72257a.html
1861 already a widow (or stating that)
TRINDAD Jane Sister W F 61 Annuitant Cornwall - Crantock
1851 census still with father and unmarried.
JOHNS William Head W M 76 Retired Farmer Cornwall - Crantock
JOHNS Jane Dau U F 51 Cornwall - Crantock
JOHNS William Son U M 49 Master Mariner Cornwall - Crantock
JOHNS Charlotte Dau U F 30 Cornwall - Crantock
SCORSE Mary Servnt U F 20 House Servt Cornwall - Helstone
Piece: HO107/1905 Place: Padstow -Cornwall Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Crantock
Makes you wonder that later that year was when she married at 51yr?
Bye
Althea
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
Here she is in 1841,
1841 HO107/149/9 f.6 p.6 Crantock
Tregunnell
William JOHNS 65 Ind
Charles " " 20 Ap Shipwright
Charlotte " " 22
Jane TRINIDADE 40 Married Daughter
Elizabeth LAWES 50 Ind
Silas MARTYNE 4
Elizabeth CHEG?DEN 22 All born in county
Regards
Daisy
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Ding
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Hi everyone, thank you all for your efforts.
Its interesting to follow the census information:
1841 Jane Trinidade 41 Married daughter.
1851 Jane Johns 51 Daughter, Unmarried, Housekeeper
1861 Jane Trindad 61 Sister, Widowed, Annuitant.
1871 Jane Trinidad 71 Aunt, Widow, Annuitant.
For those of you following this post here is a section of the letter written to my mother in 1968 by a Martyn cousin in Cornwall:
" She was married to a Trinadad who I think must have come into Falmouth in the wine trade business. He married her, or so she thought, but delivered her up, we are told, to a Mosocan(?) Hareem. I feel it must have been to do with the wine trade, because when she escaped by bribing them with jewellry she was, we were told,.......down onto the Quay in a wine barrel on board a boat bound for Falmouth. The captain of the boat is said to have told her brothers and arranged the escape. She had a black child lived with her in Crantock.
She lived at home after with her unmarried sisters at Vosputh(?) built for the daughters by their father, who owned land in Crantock inherited from his mother a Martyn........My mother was taken to see her as a child. She was very tall and upright though very old. She herself never spoke of the affair. But it is history to all the family. Some members said it was the West Indies but this I do not believe - too far off. We do know however that it was the end of the French wars, and she could have been seized by pirates off the Banbury coast."
Hope this is of interest, Ding
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Valda
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JANE JOHNS
JOZE DA TRINDADA LOURENZO
Marriage: 25 JUL 1821 Mawnan, Cornwall
I would think with that name he was possibly Portuguese. Trinidad is Spanish for Trinity. I don't think having Trinidad in his name means any connection to the Caribbean.
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Valda
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Valda
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Burial
18th June 1822
St Michael Mawnan
Joseph Lorenzo Trinidade
1 month
Regards
Valda
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krisesjoint
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Excellent 
Funny Ding, I had noticed that but never really absorbed it. It is true - don't know why but they were in Mawnan for a few years. Never entered my mind they would have lived anywhere other than Crantock.
There are births and deaths in Mawgan. We are now on 15 children.
Explains why I didn't have some baptisms. For some reason I just assumed they hadn't baptised the latter ones. I had wondered why Edwards age in census didn't agree with the baptism I had, which is really unusual with Gentry - their ages are usually very accurate. Really should have twigged. Funny when you know. The signs were all there, I just wasn't looking.
I can now tell you they moved between 1813 and 1814. Edward bap Crantock 23 May 1813 buried 3 Dec 1814 Mawnan aged 19 Months. Charles Henry bap 26 May 1816 Mawnan buried 21 Feb 1817 Mawnan aged 9 Months, Charlotte 21 Nov 1817 Mawnan, Edward 16 Feb 1819 Mawnan, Charles 21 July 1821 Mawnan. Looking at Mawnan burials maybe even another one. I don't see a baptism for this one but there is the burial listed for Silas 8 Dec 1814 aged 7 months.
Cheers Kris
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Hi everyone 
What a great story!
I have found a few things on National Archives which may be of interest:
[no title] TLP/338 23 Apr. 1859
Contents:
Mortgage for £800 (conveyance).
Hen. Prynn Andrew of Bodrean, esq., Geo. Nicholls Simmons of Truro, gent., Eliz. Andrew of Nansough, wid., to Rich. Johns of Crantock, gent., and Wm. Martyn of Tregunnel, Crantock.Nansough manor.
Online Document PROB 11/2260
Will of William Johns Gentleman Crantock , Cornwall . Date: 1857.
will look for more
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
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Valda
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The Book of Mawnan: celebrating a South Cornwall parish by the Mawnan History Group (2002)
Halsgrove, Halsgrove House, Lower Moor Way, TIVERTON Devon EX16 6SS
www.halsgrove.com (ISBN 1-84114-148-8)
Regards
Valda
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