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lizdb
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Havnet studied this in great detail but my initial thoughts are:
1) It looks likely that Mary in 1891 (mum to Esther n Mary)could be a second marrriage, a different Mary to the one in 1881 (mum to Rose n Willie)
Not proven - birth cert of John in 1892 says Mums maiden name Tullett (was Mum a Mary Ann? or a Mary H?) but birth cet of Rose or Willie or Julie etc would confirm earlier wife's maiden name. Finding them in 1871 might get age of eldets child.
2) Hannah Tullet is clearly grandmother, as is stated. therefore John or Maries grandmother, not mother.
3) If Mary - who could be eldest child of second marriage was born in Ireland, it is posible that this mariage took place in Ireland - they obviously went there for a while.
I wonder where Julie(7) and Jane (5 ) are in 1881? Ireland?
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lizdb
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Just looking at 1891 census - not convinced MAry is age 3 at all - dont know what the figure is, but doesnt leap out as a 3!
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avm228
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I wonder if the Irish birthplace for the 3(?) year old Mary might be a "lazy ditto" (coming after Hannah's) and in fact she, like the others, was born in Bethnal Green/Whitechapel:
Mary Ann PUTTNAN Sep 1887 Whitechapel 1c 320a
also
Esther PUTTNAN Dec 1890 Whitechapel 1c 285
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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lizdb
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Did you say you have the family in 1901? Do you have ref?
the only John Puttnam or similar of right age I can find is not with his family - there is an 8 yr old, bn London, a visitor with Charles and Ada Kirby in Suusex. Is that him?
The more I think about this, the more I think we need to start again with a clean sheet of paper and see what are the definites, and work form there.
So - this 1892 born John, that you have the birth cert for. Are you 100% sure he is 'yours'?
Or is it best we take a further step back. Is it the next generation forwward that you are definite about? If so, let us have the detials - confirmed facts only, of them, and we will see if they lead to this John.
pS Anna just seen your post - yes I think that is a strong possibility too. Seeing that birth, makes me think that maybe she is 3 after all, that she was forgotten in the list of children, then added on "Oh yes, there our MAry too, she was born the same as the others" so it is writtten MAry, ditto.
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lizdb
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Of no help really, but out of interest Julia seems to marry Oct/Nov/Dec 1897 ref 1c 549, Whitchapel distr. Men on page are Ernest Upsher or Thomas Biggart
modified to add - it is Ernest Upsher, they are on 1901 with young dtr Winifred, living in Walthamstow. No other members of family with them to be of any help, though
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carol8353
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Didn't Newby say somewhere that dad John died in the late 1890's,but she hasn't found a death ref yet?
You may be right about the 'lazy ditto's ' Anna. 
I wasn't convinced about the age(3) either Liz,and thought that because Mary was after grandma,perhaps she was a lot older and HER daughter and not John and Mary's.
Come on Newby where are you 
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Esther Puttnam (age 10) is with brother William(23) and his young family in 1901.
RG13/ 1144 Folio: 113 Page: 29.
At 18 Castle Street,Reading, Berks.
Maybe mum,Mary had died by then too?
Carol
Modified- how about this one?
Deaths Jun 1896
Puttnam Mary Ann age 41 Islington ref 1b 230
And young Mary too....
Deaths Jun 1904
PUTTNAN Mary Ann age 16 Whitechapel ref 1c 184
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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There's a second Puttman family 
IN 1901 they are all born Hoxton and dad is a saddler.
John Puttman 50
Mary A wife 47
Mary A dau 13
William visitor 19 saddler
At 35 Kingsland Road Shoreditch.
RG13/269 folio 64 page 12
What do we think boys and girls?
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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lizdb
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Another question for Newby
on John (1892) 's birth cert, is his Dad an Umbrella maker?
(Reason I ask, is that we have no very concrete evidence that this family in 1891 are actually John's family. We dont see him with them in 1901 to confirm. The only link is that his dad is said to be Jonathan Puttnam and mum Mary Ann nee Tullet,presumably from birth cert, and this family we have been following in 1891 has a dad called John Puttnam, a mum called Marie H, and a granmother who may be a grt grandmother with surname Tullet.)
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