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2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« on: Tuesday 17 June 08 23:28 BST (UK) »
I believe that 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton is a place were single mothers to be went to give birth to illegitimate children. I also believe that it may have been a workhouse.

This address was given on a birth certificate dated 1910 that I have.

Can anyone please confirm this and perhaps tell me a little more about this place at this time?

I believe that many of the records have been lost. 

Any further information on this establishment at this time would be much appreciated.

Andy 
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 June 08 23:33 BST (UK) »
Andy ,

Have Pm'd you,

Kaz
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 June 08 23:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the PM Kaz. Your  info adds to the picture.

What I think is 2, Raddlebarn Road  was an address that registrars are known to have used for Kings Norton Workhouse.  I think it was the workhouse infirmary. Also I think in those days possibly the workhouse infirmary was the nearest thing to an NHS hospital. This can be seen on the workhouse web site. There's no doubt this was a probably proper professional hospital. It's only a few years later that the workhouses and their hospitals were to be handed over to local authorities and the term 'workhouse' would become history!

I hope that I am thinking along the right lines. Perhaps someone can help here. I would just like to know a little more about what life was like at that place at that time. Also to find any records for 1910 if they still exist anywhere.

Andy
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 00:11 BST (UK) »
Andy,

Have you seen this site:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?KingsNorton/KingsNorton.shtml

K

Oops ..of course you have  - you've just mentioned it.Sorry - must be having a "moment"...which is obviously lasting a long time!!
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 09:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Kaz,

I have seen the web site,  but your posting has given me another thought.

Should this discussion be under Worcestershire?  I believe the birth certificate has Worcestershire on it.

I always think of Birmingham as Warwickshire, but not all of it was!


Andy
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 15:55 BST (UK) »
Andy,

Can't help you there i'm afraid. However,  if no one can  help you on this website then you may wish to try:

http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/index.php

Regardless of which part of Birmingham they may be able to help/point you in the right direction.

Kaz
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 16:15 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the tip Kaz.  I will give it a try in two days time as user registration has been temporarily suspended on this site.

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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 22 June 08 03:20 BST (UK) »
This place is still there. It became Selly Oak Hospital.

My great aunt was also born there ~ when her mother was unmarried. She was baptised in a private ceremony and I found the details of that in Birmingham Central Library ~ I think under records for St Mary's church.

The site was for Kings Norton Union Workhouse and also also Kings Norton Union Infirmiary.

It was in Worcestershire and the area became part of Greater Birmingham in 1911.


(Coincidentally, my elder son was also born there ~ in 1986!)
It is now part of University Hospital Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust:
http://www.uhb.nhs.uk/ 
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 22 June 08 18:57 BST (UK) »
Well of course that address does sound like Selly Oak Hospital today...but...there was also a place on Raddlebarn Road that was opposite St Edwards RC School....the place was a very big building indeed owned by the RC Church and single RC mothers would go there to be 'helped' with their births !!  it was staffed by Nuns and the place was called 'Woodville' that building was demolished many years ago and now on the site is St Mary's Hospice
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 June 08 19:35 BST (UK) »
The Birmingham Electoral Roll for 1912 shows Walter Stephens living at 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03ow/

Susan  Smiley

Added: He's still there 1925-1939 -  No. 2 sounds like a "normal" house  Undecided
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 June 08 19:40 BST (UK) »
It must depend, then, on whether one was RC or CofE, wchich side of the road the illegitimate babies were born.

My gt aunt was born 1905 or 1906 ~ I can't remember exactly off hand. The Christening was registered under St Marys C of E church, Selly Oak.
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 22 June 08 21:14 BST (UK) »
As I said earlier, what I think is 2, Raddlebarn Road  was an address that registrars are known to have used for Kings Norton Workhouse around 1910, I have heard of several instances of this and 1 and 1a Raddlebarn Road also may have been used. I hope that this thinking is along the right lines.

I would just like to know a little more about what life was like at that place at that time. Also to find any records for 1910 if they still exist anywhere.

Do you think Tricia_2 that most of the illegitimate children born there were baptised at St Mary's church - did you see any evidence of this in your research?

Andy

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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 22 June 08 21:24 BST (UK) »
Andy,

I would have to find & check my notes, but I am pretty sure that there was a batch of such christenings ~ all together in the records of St Mary's.

Whether the mothers & babies were taken there, or whether a minister went to the hospital / workhouse for the 'private' baptisms, and they were written up in the baptism register, later, I don't know.
I'm sure that experts will know, though.

Good luck.
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 22 June 08 21:27 BST (UK) »
As St Mary's  church & school is on the doorstep....the clergy wouldn't have had far to go anyway..........likewise with the RC version further down Raddlebarn Road....Woodville was almost opposite St Edwards Church and school....
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Re: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 22 June 08 21:30 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for that Mike, I will have to try and have a look at the records when I can. I live some distance from Brimingham.

Thanks also for your response Tricia_2 - have only just seen it.

Andy
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