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Topic: 2 Raddlebarn Road, Selly Oak, Northfield, Kings Norton, Birmingham (Read 2417 times)
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Treefan
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Hi,
I too have been looking into the address "2 Raddlebarn Road" which appears on an ancestors death certificate in 1922.
Having checked up on various sites it seems that Selly Oak Hospital began to be run from 1922 onwards and I assume that those folks who needed the aid of the former workhouse & its infirmary were cared for there.
There is a house in the electoral books which shows that the Stephens family lived at 2 Raddlebarn Road from 1912 until at least 1939, Mr Stephens worked as a storeman in a chocolate factory, Cadburys I assume.
I have read several entries on various forum sites relating to the births of children to unmarried mothers & deaths which were registered as taking place at 2 Raddlebarn Road for several years in the early 1900's when clearly the same address was the postal address for the Stephens family. Some of the certificates were dated to the end of the 1920's. I therefore assume that the local authorites continued to use 1, 1a & 2 Raddlebarn Road as
addresses upon certificates even when it first became known as Selly Oak Hospital instead of the workhouse, perhaps because it still cared for the former inmates and was still being used to disguise the fact that they had been workhouse inmates.
Does anyone know when 1, 1a & 2 Raddlebarn Road ceased to be addresses that were used by the local authorities for the use on certificates please?
Thanks,
Treefan.
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Treefan
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Hi Sophiedog,
Many thanks for letting me know about your father's birth details.
If you find out anything else of interest about the workhouse/infirmary & the use of the addresses I would be very interested to learn from you.
Thank You,
Treefan.
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Treefan
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Many thanks again Sophiedog.
The thing that I find strange is that although I now know that 1, 1a & 2 Raddlebarn Road were addresses that were allotted to the local authorities to use representing the workhouse/infirmary/unmarried mothers home in order to disguise the true facts to save face for the families involved for certificate purposes there actually was really a 2 Raddlebarn Road which was the home of the Stephens family from at least 1912 to 1939 -- Mr Stephens was a store keeper in the local chocolate factory and the family can be found in the Birmingham electoral records under the address 2 Raddlebarn Road for all those years.
I think it very odd that the local authorities used an address (even though it was only on paper) when the address was also a real postal address in existance at the same time.
Thanks again,
Treefan.
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SOPHIEDOG
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Hi Treefan,I thought the same as you, when I read your post.
I was wondering if Mr Stephens,let out rooms at this house to my Grandparents in 1921 when my father was born there. Just a thought ! Have you been able to look in the 1911 census , (sorry Im still new to this,) or is that the same as the electoral records.?
Sophiedog.
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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
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Treefan
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Hi Sophiedog,
Over a period of time since we have been looking into 2 Raddlebarn Road due to it being the address on an ancestors death certificate we have come across a great number of others too for both deaths & births -- there are far too many for it to have been possible for them all to have been lodgers of the Stevens family, they must have been inmates of either the workhouse, the infirmary or the unmarried mother's home for it to make sense.
Someone who presently lives in the area told us that the houses in that area were owned by the Cadbury Trust for use of the Cadbury workers. Mr Stephens was indeed a Cadbury worker so this may be correct but we have never checked this out as yet -- perhaps someone else may know?
I have checked the 1911 census & Mr Stephens & his wife are still in residence there.
Treefan.
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SOPHIEDOG
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Morning Treefan, it is indeed a mystery,and I don't know where to go from here to solve it.
A long shot ,but are there not any Archive Records up in Birmingham to help us.I don,t know anything much about Birmingham as I live in the South of England,I only know my Father was born there.
I wonder if we will ever find out ?
Best wishes.
Sophiedog.
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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
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andycadman
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It's great to see that a topic that I started over a year ago now come back to life.
My father was born at 2, Raddlebarn Road in 1910. In the 1911 census it seems my father William George age six months was staying with Childminders at 37, Norman Street, Winson Green in Birmingham. His mother Norah was working as a Domestic Servant at 37, Havelock Road, Handsworths approx 2.5 miles away. So by then they had moved away from the "hospital".
Can I go back to my original question:
What I think is 2, Raddlebarn Road was an address that registrars are known to have used for Kings Norton Workhouse. I think it was the workhouse infirmary. Also I think in those days possibly the workhouse infirmary was the nearest thing to an NHS hospital. This can be seen on the workhouse web site. There's no doubt this was a probably proper professional hospital. It's only a few years later that the workhouses and their hospitals were to be handed over to local authorities and the term 'workhouse' would become history!
I hope that I am thinking along the right lines. Perhaps someone can help here. I would just like to know a little more about what life was like at that place at that time. Also to find any records for 1910 if they still exist anywhere.
The other possible avenue of research is that I believe the nearby St Mary's church was used to baptise the children born there. If so is it possible for anyone to do a look up to see if a "Cadman" was baptised there on or after 20th September 1910. And let me have the details.
If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks,
Andy
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« Last Edit: Friday 12 June 09 16:46 UTC (UK) by andycadman »
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The main names that I am researching into at the moment are Cadman,(originating from Bulkington, Warwickshire), Smedley, (Leicestershire and Derbyshire), Paynes (Leicestershire, Yorkshire and Derbyshire) and Udall - you will also find several other names on my web page. I look forward to E-Mails from anyone who would like to share or talk about our family history.
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Treefan
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Hi Andy,
I do go to the Birmingham Central Library once in a blue moon so I shall make a note of your query and try to have a look for you -- I don't know when it will be though so bare with me please.
Treefan.
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SOPHIEDOG
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If you could find out more at Birmingham library for me Treefan that would be really appreciated - Andy
I would also appreciate a Baptism for a Dennis J Adams born 16/6/1921 ( birth at 2 Raddlebarn Road )
Thats if he was Baptised at all. !!
please if its possible and not too much for you Treefan. Thank you.
Edited; This question we would all like an answer to was also at one time being discussed on another well known site,and still came back with the same answers we have on here. here is another Quote from there.
Quote;No 2 is a house,its on the corner of Raddlebarn &Willow Rd, part of the Bournville Village Trust Area.its still there as I past it the other day,the workhouse was across the road,now Selly Oak Hospital.End of Quote.( Dated 19/8/2008 )
Sophiedog
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Reserching / TOWNER Bishopstone and Brighton Area, Sussex / NIGHTINGALE Warnham, Horsham ,Brighton / ........................................................Illson Leicestershire...............................................ADAMS/GANDERTON/ BENNETT /TAYLOR/BROWN. Warwick Birmingham Areas.
And , (Jane Eliza Meddows & Meddows Taylor family; Of Willoughby Waterless in the county of Leicestershire.)
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Tippin
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I have a death certificate that was (I think) 1 back Raddlebarn Road, which was Kings Norton Workhouse. That was in 1924.
I believe that in the early 20th century, a law was passed that forced registrar's to put down the address of the workhouse as a number and road, basically to stop Workhouse being on the certificate's. People who needed medical help, but could not afford it, often chose to enter the workhouse, so that they could use the worhouse hospital. I have looked through the records for Burton Union Workhouse in Staffordshire, and there is plenty of cases were people enter the workhouse, are sent to the hospital, and either die or leave soon afterwards.
In 1930 (or there abouts), Neville Chamberlain (a local man!) passed a law that rewrote the poor law system. The workhouse were closed - children went to orphanges. The problem was, they could not get rid of the adults (and possibly some children) already in the workhouse, and I have no idea how long it would have taken for them to stop taking new cases in.
When Clement Attlee won the 1945 general election, he set up the NHS, which took over many of the old workhouses to use as hospitals. It is very likley that this is when Selly Oak Hospital was born, although I can not prove/disprove that.
Tippin
PS: Kings Norton was in Worcestershire. Worcestershire used to bend round into Warwickshire, so that places on the east of Birmingham, like Yardley and Moseley, were in Worcestershire. In fact, Birmingham used to be in three counties - Warwickshire, Worcestershire (to the south, and parts of the east), and Staffordshire (to the west).
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