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Sunderland 1807-1810 (Births & Deaths)
« on: Wednesday 18 June 08 07:55 BST (UK) »

Re. Family of BRICKNELL/BRICKNALL or BICKNALL/BICKNELL

I have recently been informed of a family stray baptism in Sunderland for the family of my 4xGGPs. Daniel & Teresa married in Hull, ERY in 1806. Their son John Isaac was baptised in Sunderland in 1807. The family were longer term residents in Foston, YKS in period 1810-1816 for the baptism of 2 further children before they moved back to Daniel's origins in Warwickshire. Nothing is known of John Isaac's history.

My questions are:
1. Are there any further baptisms for the couple in Sunderland or surrounding Durham area in period 1808-1810 (as they were clearly a mobile couple - I suspect Daniel as a journeyman);
2. Are there any registered deaths/burials for any children in this area for the same period, perhaps John Isaac?
3. As I am not familiar with the region, in this period is there any particular historical or social reason a tradesman may leave ERY (albeit temporarily) and seek work in Sunderland? The distance this family moved appears to be quite substantial for the times from what I can see on maps.

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Re: Sunderland 1807-1810 (Births & Deaths)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 08:31 BST (UK) »

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Have you looked at the durhamrecordsonline site?   They have a lot of Sunderland and Monk/Bishopwearmouth records.   On the whole Durham is poorly covered by the IGI so looking at the original parish records is usually the way forward.  Clicking on the IGI batch number for the John Isaac birth does not bring up any other children for Daniel Bricknell and Thirza Copeland so he may be the only one baptised there.  It is an extracted record so should be reliable but the original may show more details and of course you may find a burial for him.   There was a lot of developing industry in the area at that time.  What was Daniel's trade?
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Re: Sunderland 1807-1810 (Births & Deaths)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 09:40 BST (UK) »

Hi Andrea,

As far as I can ascertain, Daniel was a cordwainer. It is not a trade I have usually associated with journeyman activity in my various families since they were usually local trade. As he died before census times it difficult to be sure, only what was recorded at his son's marriage in 1840. Perhaps it was a trade that had special connections with Hull & Sunderland, but he was clearly only in Durham for no more than 3 years. Either way, for the times, it is still a long haul from WAR to ERY, to DUR and back eventually to WAR.

As you note, the IGI is limited. All the entries for my couple are separate and do not link to a larger family that you can find with one click. The main reason being for the variation in both their surnames and her first name, which is different for each entry. Despite different entry spellings it took me a long time to find the right way to confirm the "stray" entries highlighed by RootsChat members. I suppose there must be a way of getting the system to put these apparent disparate entries to the same mobile family.

Thanks for the site location, I will investigate. As I'm not UK-resident, it is not always easy to find every online source.

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Re: Sunderland 1807-1810 (Births & Deaths)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 09:52 BST (UK) »

(as they were clearly a mobile couple - I suspect Daniel as a journeyman);

As far as I can ascertain, Daniel was a cordwainer. It is not a trade I have usually associated with journeyman activity in my various families since they were usually local trade.

Mark, the term journeyman doesn't mean someone who travelled around for work.

It was used to describe someone who had served his apprenticeship, was fully qualified, and wasn't tied to serving a master. The name comes from the fact that originally they were hired by the day  - 'jour' in French - hence journeyman.

Thus one often sees references to journeyman associated with all manner of trades.

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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 10:06 BST (UK) »

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Have you registered to view the Bishops Transcripts for the Diocese Of Durham, many of which are available to view online?

The Sunderland records for the period you are interested in appear to be available, and I have just looked at the Baptism you mention above.

You could browse through these and see if there are any other entries which relate to this family. But be warned - it can become addictive!

Here is a link - http://labs.familysearch.org/ click on 'Record Search'.  To save you time, to find the baptism of John Isaac you need to click on Durham, then select Sunderland 1769 - 1842, then go to page 998.


Hope this is of assistance

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 10:22 BST (UK) »

Thanks very much for the useful link.
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 10:27 BST (UK) »

Hi Andrea,

 for the times, it is still a long haul from WAR to ERY, to DUR and back eventually to WAR.


It would have been quite easy to have travelled from Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, to Sunderland by the well established coastal shipping trade. Sunderland was a major exporter of coal as well as other goods, to ports on the East Coast. Sunderland was an expanding and prospering town and, as a cordwainer, he probably thought there would plenty of business there.

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Re: Sunderland 1807-1810 (Births & Deaths)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 10:33 BST (UK) »

Mark,
Just to emphasise that Stan says about travel - at about this same time I had ancestors moving from Northumberland down to Lancashire and also down to London.
People at that time were probably more mobile than we give them credit for!

2. Are there any registered deaths/burials for any children in this area for the same period, perhaps John Isaac?

Registration of these events did not begin until 1837.

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Re: Sunderland 1807-1810 (Births & Deaths)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 10:46 BST (UK) »

Thanks for all the useful hints and comments.

The Durham BTs are brilliant quality. I was surprised to find such detail that clearly links the baptism of John Isaac BRICKNALL to my family as the father is clearly Daniel, a Cordwainer of Budbrooke, WAR and his wife Thirza Copeland of Foston, YKS. Now if only all records were that available and helpful............
Sadly I seem to have one reference in Durham in my whole family.

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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 11:10 BST (UK) »

What you have here is what is known as a 'Shute Barrington entry'.

Shute Barrington was Bishop of Durham, and, luckily for us an amateur genealogist  Grin

He required his clergy to keep their Parish Registers in a very detailed way, such as you have described i.e. (in the case of baptisms) date of birth, parents names and their parishes of birth and the fathers occupation.

Shute Barrington entries for the Diocese of Durham date from 1797 to 1812; after 1812 new standardized forms of entry for baptism and burial, requiring less detail, had to be used.

Although these entries only cover a small period of time they are a great boon to family historians.

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 18 June 08 11:15 BST (UK) »

I see that Budbrooke is on the Grand Union Canal. This connected to the Trent and Mersey Canal, The Trent and Mersey Canal joined the  River Trent near Shardlow, and the River Trent went to the River Humber not far from Hull. So this would seem to be the easiest way, before the advent of trains, for Daniel to get to Hull.


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