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Maeve
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Phelps/Howell
« on: Thursday 19 June 08 12:00 BST (UK) »
In my tree I have a William Phelps born 1846 East Dean Gloucestershire. (I have baptism record).  His parents were John and Elizabeth Phelps.
I found William on 1851 and 1861 census in Gloucestershire but cannot find him on 1871.
I found him on 1881 Census for 14 Union Street Witwood Yorkshire.
At that address it shows William Phelps (Coal miner)  and wife Mary.
It also shows several children as having father and mother William and Mary but the childrens names are all HOWELL.
AAA Howell age 12 born abt 1869 Collafield Gloucestershire
Clara Howell age 5 born abt 1876 Castleford Yorkshire
Hannah Howell age 3 born abt 1878 Methley Yorkshire
William Howell age 1 born abt 1880 Castleford
Census also shows lodgers Jas Howell born abt 1853 Collaford Gloucestershire
Jno Howell lodger born abt 1856 Collaford Gloucester (both Coal Miners)
I can find no marriage for William and Mary.  What happened to Phelps family in 1891/1901?  Any help appreciated.  Regards Maeve
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Re: Phelps/Howell
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 June 08 13:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Maeve,

Reckon this is another candidate in 1881?
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=6188919
RG11/2524 20 14
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Re: Phelps/Howell
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 19 June 08 13:12 BST (UK) »
think this might be mary in 1871
RG10/5298/27/7.
james howell age 51. b. milkwall,gloucs. occ. collier. head.
eliza howell age 46. b. newland,gloucs. wife.
mary howell age 22. b. ditto. daughter.
james howell age 18. b. ditto. occ. collier. son.
ellen howell age 16. b. ditto. daughter.
john howell age 15. b. ditto. occ. collier.son.
richard howell age 12. b. ditto. son.
esther howell age 10. b. ditto. daughter.
eliza howell age 7. b. ditto. daughter.
thomas howell age 3. b. ditto. son.
alice.m.d.howell age 2. b. ditto , grand-daughter.
living at ;milkwall,newlands,gloucs.
reg.dist. coleford.
think that alice aged 2 is possibly your child in 1881 aged 12 .
and that the birthplace in 1881 down as collafield and collaford
should be coleford.
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Re: Phelps/Howell
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 June 08 13:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Tatie
Thank you for the information.  The census for Mary Howell is definately the correct one as it shows the two lodgers on future census as her brothers and also shows the child, who perhaps was not Williams child. I still cannot find a marriage.  Perhaps Mary had the children prior to any marriage but the last child William may be named after William Phelps who was or was not the father of other children.  Getting very confused here.
The alternate William Phelps you showed, who was married to Charlotte is not the correct William, as the alternate William was born abt 1854, too late for my William born 1846 (as shown on baptism record)
I have found the children on 1891 census but now under the name of Phelps,not Howell, which is why I could not find them previously.  Mary died in 1891 age 44 registered in Pontefract.  Still not found William in 1901 or his death.  Regards Maeve
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Re: Phelps/Howell
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 June 08 13:53 BST (UK) »
possibly william in 1871
RG10/4634/8/10.
william phelps age 26. b. coleford,gloucs. occ. coalminer. lodger.(unm)
he is lodging in the household of thomas-jane hale.
address;synedale,pontefract,yorkshire.
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Re: Phelps/Howell
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 June 08 14:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you for finding that.  The 1871 Hale family were distantly related to William, brilliant piece of deduction Tatie.  Regards Maeve
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Re: Phelps/Howell
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 June 08 15:19 BST (UK) »
I'm wondering if the enumerator didn't mix his dittoes up - Clara was registered as Phelps at birth, wasn't she?

There is this possible marriage:
Jun 1873 Monmouth 11a 83
William Phelps - Mary Howell on the same page
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Re: Phelps/Howell
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 June 08 15:45 BST (UK) »
Well Well Well.  I think someone certainly did mix things up.  There I was thinking that the lady in question had all the children prior to any marriage.  Certainly the first one who shows up as living with her grandparents, and two uncles plus mum on census.
I did find a William Phelps in 1901 age 60 as an inmate at the Workhouse.  It is not proven that it is the same person.
You really deserve a Blue Peter badge for this one Tatie.  Regards Maeve
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