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Topic: Edward Walter Griffith - Eglwysbach d1949 (Read 493 times)
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martingraham
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Trying to piece together information about my gg grandfather
He was Edward Walter Griffith, b 1880, who is buried in St Martins churchyard in Eglwysbach.
He married Selina Frances Ann Hawkins in 1908 in St Margarets Church, Chester (Bucklow district). I belive that he had two brothers Charles and Robert Llewelyn - Robert L, was a chaffeur at Bodnant Hall. and I also believe that both Selina and Edward Walter also worked at Bodnant.
Edward Walter lived at Ty'n-y-bryn farm , just outside Eglwysbach, Charles lived at Fron-isaf farm, outside Eglwsbach, in the 30's / 40's
I'm trying to trace Edward Walter Griffith parents. - his father is named as Edward Stanley Griffith (engine Fireman) on the marriage certificate
Does anyone have any suggestions or informatin where I could go next ?
Many Thanks in advance
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CatOne
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Is this your Edward in 1891?
RG12/4632 Folio 16 Page 6
Ffrith Lwyd, Eglwys Fach, Denbighshire
Robert Jones 68 Farmer Eglwys Fach
Elizabeth 66 "
Catherine s 35 "
Richard s 28 "
Elizabeth mar 33 "
Edward Walter Griffiths grandson 11 Scholar All Griffiths children born Maenon Carnarvonshire
Elizabeth Mary Griffiths granddau 6 "
Charles Griffiths grandson 4 "
Margaret Ann Williams granddau 6 " Llandudno
+ 1 servant Hugh Williams 16
I did see a marriage between an Elizabeth Jones and Edward Stanley Griffiths in 1877 in Conway I think, will check .....
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CatOne
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Here it is -
Edward Stanley D Griffith Sept 1877 Conway Vol 11b Page 689
Bride - Elizabeth Jones
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martingraham
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Gosh - that was quick - I think you may have found them - I will check it out.....
I don't suppose you found any earlier entries for Elizabeth or Edward Stanley?
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Do you know if Edward Stanley was from a wealthy family because the only one I could find for him was this one!  -
1871 RG10/3713 Folio 85 Page 10
Welch Row Grammar School, Nantwich, Cheshire
Stanley Edwd Davies Griffith boarder 15 Pupil Carnarvon
with other pupils, 2 servants and clergyman (without cure) Headmaster James P Crispin
1861 RG9/4360 Folio 53 Page 1
Caerhun Hall, Caerhun and Isar Afon, Caernarvonshire
Hugh Davies Griffith widr 62 Landed Proprietor Caurhun
Frederick W D 16 Scholar Caerhun
Adelaide M D 9 Scholar Caerhun
Walter R D 7 Scholar Caurhun
Edward S D 5 Scholar Caerhun
+ Housekeeper, Nurse, Kitchenmaid and Gardener
Doesn't seem to fit with his occupation being Engine Fireman
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Thank you - I'm not sure about this connection but would be lovely to think it was the same one. 
I will now need to order the birth / marriage certificates to cross reference, and will let you know how I get on
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This must be 1901, heres Edward and Selina (and his brother Robert L), not at Bodnant though (and Edward is enumerated Edmund)
RG13/3326 Folio 150 Page 12
Woodlands, Timperley, Cheshire
Selina Hawkins 21 Waitress Lancs Standish
Edmund W Griffith 21 Under gardener Crewe
Robert L " 19 Groom Denbigh Llanroos?
+ 2 other servants
(Family of the house is Charles Letton Percival, Ship Broker Agent + wife and 2 sons and 3 daughters)
Births? -
Edward Walter D Griffith March 1880 Nantwich Vol 8a Page 341
Robert Llewelyn D Griffith June 1882 Llanrwst Vol 11b Page 385
Charles Davies Griffith Dec 1886 Llanrwst Vol 11b Page 309
Will see if I can find them on earlier censuses now.....
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Heres Robert in 1891 -
RG12/4632 Folio 46 Page 4
Bryn-glas, Maenan Abbey, Caernarvonshire
Owen? Williams 37 Farmer Llansantffraid
Jane 38 Eglwysbach
Jennie 10 Scholar Llansantffraid
Tommy 7 Scholar "
Robert D (age unreadable .... month?) Maenan
Robert Ll Griffith nephew 9 Scholar Maenan
Louisa Jones niece Scholar Eglwysbach
+ domestic servant Catherine Davies 14
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Birth of Elizabeth M Griffith (1891 census above)?
Elizabeth Mary D Griffith Sept 1884 Llanrwst Vol 11b Page 353
I wonder if they were estranged from the Davies-Griffith family because they thought Edward Stanley had married beneath him, might explain why the family never seems to be together, were brought up by various relatives and took ordinary jobs (engine fireman/gardener/groom)
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1881 RG11/5535 Folio 44 Page 5
Tan y Coed?, Maenan, Caernarvonshire
E S D Griffith 25 Gentleman Caerhun
E D Griffith 24 Eglwysfach
E W D Griffith 15mo Crewe Cheshire
William Dew visitor 29 Solicitors Clerk Denbigh
+ housemaid Jane Jones 14
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1901 RG13/5242 Folio 61 Page 8
Fron Isaf, Eglwysbach, Denbighshire
Richard Jones 39 Farmer EglwysBach
Catherine sister 45 Housekeeper on farm "
Louisa niece 20 EglwysBach
Elizabeth M Griffith niece 16 Caenarvon Maenan
Charles M Griffith nephew 14 EglwysBach
+ carter on farm John Roberts 48
I think Fron Isaf farm is now a holiday let, if you google it there are a few photos
Regards
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This looks like Elizabeth's family, not sure where she is yet -
RG10/5677 Folio 35 Page 8
Fron, Cefn y Coed, Denbighshire
Robert Jones 49 Farmer 54 acres 1 man All born Eglwysbach
Elizabeth 47
Catherine 16 Gen Serv
Margaret 12 Scholar
Richard 9 "
Maria 7 "
Ellen 4
+ farm servant Robert Williams 15
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This is all fantastic information. - thank you
I asked my mum about this, and she has vague recollections of Caerhun Hall, and stories of some relation losing all there money to gambling - I wonder of this was a Griffiths at Caerhun - adds some colour to the history!
Thanks once again for all the help...
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They seem a very interesting family and I'm sure I saw somewhere that they have been at Caerhun Hall since the 1600s, they're in the pedigrees of Caernarvonshire I think, so hopefully you can confirm this is the correct family with one or two certificates. Hope you'll keep us updated when you find out.
Good luck
Regards
Cat
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Thanks for all the help doing the tracing of some of my relations.
I've just received some birth / marriage certificates that do confirm the searches that you have done.
In addition, the ancestry of Hugh Davies Griffiths (father of Edward Stanley Griffith) is documented on oneworld,
which has his family line going back to George Griffith in 1542!
I've detailed the certificates below.
Edward Stanley D GRIFFITH (born 1855)
BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Born 2 May 1855, Father - Hugh Davies Griffith, mother Georgina Davies Griffith,
formerly Morgan. Fathers occupation given as Gentleman. Registered 9 June 1855.
MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE
Married on July 18th 1877, in Parish Church, Caerhurn. Edward Stanley Griffith
(amended on certificate to Edward Stanley Davies Griffith), age 22, married Elizabeth Jones.
ESD Griffith occupation noted as Gentleman, living at Caerhurn - his fathers name noted as Hugh Davies Griffith
(Gentleman). Elizabeth Jones living at Tynyprols (sp?), fathers name Robert Jones, occupation farmer.
Witnesses at the wedding were David Hughes and Mary Jones (Elizabeths sister)
Edward Walter GRIFFITH (born 1880)
MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE
Married 21 Oct 1908 St Margaret Church, Chester - Bucklow, Cheshire
Robert Llewyn Griffith and Bethsheba Jane Hawkins both witnesses on the Marriage Certificate.
Edward Stanley Griffith, Engine fireman, noted as father.
Issac john Hawkins noted as the other father.
Edward Walter Griffiths noted as living at Oakleigh Park Road, Hale - Selina noted as living at Allandale, Bradgate Road, Altrincham
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