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Date Please
« on: Thursday 19 June 08 20:06 BST (UK) »

Hi,
Could Roots Chatters help with the date of this photo. The girl on the right is my Great Aunt Rosie Turner. She was born around 1905. Middlesbrough.
The other girl  Lizzie Ann McNaney was her half sister, born in 1912 also in Middlesbrough.
The girl/boy in the middle we don't know .
It was taken at Services Studio, Middlesbrough.
The problem is they all look too young to have been in the War.
Was this a studio where you get dressed up like soldiers or nurses?
Thank you. look forward to receiving your thoughts.


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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 June 08 20:52 BST (UK) »

Hello Super Nana,

If you were to do a scan of the person in the middle , at 300 ppi ,(without the scanner bed) , the Military folks could have a look at it and give you a better idea of dating

As for  their ages , don't forget there were lads of sixteen joining up (unofficially). So why can't there be nursing assistants.

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 19 June 08 21:17 BST (UK) »

Jim,
Thanks for that, you are right , there were a lot of boy soldiers.
We did think the boy in the middle was George William Turner, born 1896c. Half brother to Lizzie Ann, brother to Rosie.
He died in 9 Apr. 1917 France/Flanders.He was in the Yorkshire Light Infantry.
He is remember on the Albert Park Memorial Wall in Middlesbrough.
So maybe if the badge is recognised as the Y.L.I. it will be George, whereby the photo of them all together would make sense
I will scan the photo again, but could you explain"without the scanner bed"
Anne
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 June 08 21:42 BST (UK) »

Hi, I have scanned the photo again at 600, and cropped the head and shoulders.
Anne


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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 June 08 21:49 BST (UK) »

Hello Anne,

Lizzie was born in 1912 ... George died in 1917 ... that means Lizzie was five when George died.

It's going to be difficult to date the photo ... both girls in the photo look older than five years of age.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 June 08 21:55 BST (UK) »

Christopher,
Yes, that's what we could not figure out. That's why we thought it wasn't George
but some other relative. Bit of a puzzle.
We know for sure that Lizzie Ann was born in 1912.
Anne
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 June 08 21:57 BST (UK) »

Hello Anne,

Could the two girls have been photographed with a blow up photo of George?

I think that the photo of the girls was taken about 1922.

George's was probably taken when he enlisted in 1914 or 1915.

Services Studio may have specialised in this type of photography.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:19 BST (UK) »

Christopher,
H'mmmm. Looking at the photo again it looks like he has his hands  resting on the backs of the chairs and you can just spot the skirting behind his legs.
There was another brother William who was born in 1904 but we don't know if he joined up.
If it is him the date fits better as he would have been   between 16/18, so as you say around 1922.
But still doesn't fit  Lizzie Ann.

Lizzie Ann 1912, William 1904, Rosie 1905.  Maybe the family have the girls mixed up, maybe it should be the other way round,although Lizzie Ann's daughter said it was "definitely" her mother on the left. Sometimes stories get mixed up through the family though.
Anne
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Re: Date Please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:36 BST (UK) »

Hello Anne
Could be The Green Howards as they later became known.At the time of WW1 they were called the Princess of Wales own Yorkshire Regiment.Put it up on the armed forces board & see if anyone agrees.
The girls look about 12-13 & the nurses uniforms are about right for WW1.
Jim
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:40 BST (UK) »

Jim,
Thanks, for the new info. I will post it on Armed Forces board as you suggest. Thank you all for your help.
Anne
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:43 BST (UK) »

Hello Anne,

In your original scan , you have your photo plus the surrounding white area , which is your scanner bed. You should have within your software , something that lets you just select the photo.

As you have selected the head shot of the 'soldier' , you can do with the whole photo , that way , you don't waste any of your filesize on an unwanted part.

I hope this makes sense.

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:46 BST (UK) »

Jim,
Right I see what you mean now,thanks,  off to have ago before posting on the Armed Forces Board
regards Anne
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:46 BST (UK) »

Another.


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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:48 BST (UK) »

I think that the soldier has a feminine face  Shocked

Could it be a girlfriend or another relation dressed up , in the uniform. I have seen other photos on here like that.

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:54 BST (UK) »

Jim,
I did mention that to  Lizzie Ann's daughter when she sent me the photo, that's why I thought  the Services Studio was somewhere you could go to "dress up" in a uniform of your choosing. A right old puzzle this, maybe I am on a wild goose chase here.  Huh This family history research takes you all roads to find info.
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