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Diam
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Re Richard Martyn son of Samuel & Margaret Martyn
I can confirm that in 1814 Richard was alive & married and living somewhere near Plymouth Dock where he worked as a ship wright. He wrote a letter to his cousin William Martyn of Penpol on 31st July of that year. The IGI has a baptism record, in Stoke Dameral, 5 Feb 1799 which looks like his & Martha's son Richard. I have hunted & hunted through the census records but can find no families that seem to match either of those of the two sons on the family tree. Has anyone else found any trace?
Di
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krisesjoint
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Hi Di and Mike,
A big welcome to RootsChat. We are all so glad you have found us. Looks like have some wonderful information and photo's to share. So good to see all the photos. After all we have discovered re Jane Trinidad it is so lovely to see her photo. I hope you don't mind Di, I will add a copy to Jane's thread. I am sure others involved in that thread will love to see it. 
Sorry to say I cannot substantiate the marriage details for Captain John Christian and Ann Hiscutt  I have just been over it and although the date is in notes, I cannot prove it. The two children were baptised in St Martin on Looe Bay
Cheers Kris
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Diam
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Hi Kris
Thanks for that. I have been hunting through the parish records in the Looe area for years (it seems) with no luck.
Yes of course add the photo to the other thread.
Di
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terribrown
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My G Grandfather Richard William Golley
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Hi i am related to the Martyn family through the marraige of Mary Jane Martyn to James Major Cardell in 1861. Also Constance Martyn of St Colomb Minor married John Cardell about 1840. All this info I have just found from all of you is just great. My tree is growing by the minute.
I have heaps of info on the Cardell side up to the present if anyone is interested.
Sarah Curnow Elizabeth Susan Parminter Cardell (yes that is her full name)emigrated to Australia in 1855 and married into the Golley Family - they were originally from Veryan in Cornwall Terri Brown from Brisbane Australia
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Skinner from Kent,
Ward, Drury,Ely from Yorkshire
Ashdown,Maplesen from Kent
Cardell, Parminter, Curnow, Golley from Cornwall and Devon
Mould, Devon to Australia
Austin, Emmerton, Lomman in Australia
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chucky
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hello, My name is Joanne and my maiden name was cardell. I was born on Truro in 1971 and I'm very keen to try and piece together a bit of my past. I must be honest and tell you that I know very little but you research seems very familier. As a small child I was told that my ancestors were quite well off and at some point a Cardell married a Martyn under unfavourable circumstances, I can only assume they married beneath themselves and were cast out. My grandmother died in 2000 and whilst i tried to get as much info as I could I still have unanswerd questions. I've inherited three family oil/watercolour paintings but know nothing about them. My grandfathers name was James Ernest Tremaine Cardell, born 1917; I know very little about his father and was hoping some of your research could piece some of it together. He was born in St Columb Major and a relative has said that theirancestors lived in a small hamlet /farm called Little Colan. Somehow I'm also related (all be it distant) to the family that resided at the lost gardens of Heligan and yes, you've guessed it! I don't know how!! Any information would be gratefully received, even if I'm on the wrong track! Kind regards, Joanne. P.S. We have sub zero temperatures here in the UK,Hope it's warmer where you are....
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terribrown
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My G Grandfather Richard William Golley
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hi Joanne - yes I have loads & loads of info for you.
I will be away on a trip to Maryborough (3 hours north of Brisbane) until Wednesday but i will definately get back to you as soon as I get home.
Iwill send a printout of the Cardell -Martyn side if my family for you to peruse.
Terri Brown
Brisbane Australia
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Skinner from Kent,
Ward, Drury,Ely from Yorkshire
Ashdown,Maplesen from Kent
Cardell, Parminter, Curnow, Golley from Cornwall and Devon
Mould, Devon to Australia
Austin, Emmerton, Lomman in Australia
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terribrown
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My G Grandfather Richard William Golley
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hi Joanne
i just looked at my tree and James Ernest Tremaine Cardell is my 4th Cousin twice removed. I have him born in 1914 but I could be wrong on that. I have his parents as James Tremaine Cardell (born 1891) and Gladys Maud Roberts. His grandfather was Harvey Cardell (born 1852)
Hope this keeps you going until I get Back.
I will send the printout to your email address. Terri Brown Brisbane Australia
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Skinner from Kent,
Ward, Drury,Ely from Yorkshire
Ashdown,Maplesen from Kent
Cardell, Parminter, Curnow, Golley from Cornwall and Devon
Mould, Devon to Australia
Austin, Emmerton, Lomman in Australia
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dmollison
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Dear Joanne
It was easy with just freebmd.org.uk and the censuses on ancestry (but they're
also all there for Cornwall on freecen.org.uk) to get your Cardell line back to
John Cardell & Constance Martyn.
[Often one has problems with spelling errors in the census transcriptions,
but Cardell seems an easy name to get right.]
My notes are below - let me know if anything's not clear.
Not sure where Constance - and mother(?) Philippa - fit with my branch
of Martyns. Mary Martyn (1770-1845) was my g4-grandmother.
She married James Liddell in St C Minor in1793
Best wishes - Denis
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Births Dec 1914
CARDELL James E T Roberts St. Columb 5c 129
Marriages Dec 1913
Cardell James T Roberts St. Columb 5c 197
Roberts Gladys M Cardell
Births Mar 1889
Cardell James Tremain St. Giles 1b 668
c1901 - Atlantic View, St Columb Minor -
Harvey Cardell Head M 45 Farmer b. St Columb Minor
Laura " Wife M b. Newlyn East
James T Cardell Son 10 b. London
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Births Dec 1850
Cardell Harvey St Columb 9 61
Marriages Jun 1884
CARDELL Harvey Dorchester 5a 612
Tremain Laura
Deaths Dec 1913 (>99%)
Cardell Harvey 63 St.Columb 5c 100
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c1881 - Harvey Cardell 25 is coachman at Rosedale House
(the accuracy of his age varies from one census to the next!)
c1871 - Poldick
Edmund Cobeldick 38 Farmer of 80 acres b Roseland
+ family + ..
Harvey Cardell 16 Farm Servant (indoor) b St Columb Major
c1861 - Cattle Market, St Columb Major
John Cardell Head Mar 46 General Labourer b St Columb Major
Constance Dean " Wife Mar 38 b St Columb Minor
Gilbert R Son 17 b St Columb Major
Harvey " 9 "
Martin " 6 "
Charlotte Ann Daur 1 "
Marriages Mar 1844
CARDELL John Harvey St Columb M 9 65
MARTYN Constance Drew
c1841 - Church Town, St Columb Minor
Philippa Martyn 60 Ind
Elizabeth " 20
Constance " 20
Deaths Jun 1844
Martyn Philippa St. Columb 9 39
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krisesjoint
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Nate at 9 weeks
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Hi all and welcome to Terri and Joanne our newest Martyn Researchers, lovely to have you with us.
I haven't had much time of late but while I am at home with the reader thought I would take a look. If there is a connection here to our main lines I find it hard to believe that any marriage into this Martyn Family would have been considered marrying beneath themselves.
Constance Drew MARTYN was not baptised until Mar 9 1839 St Columb Minor (received into the congregation) dau of Samuel and Philippa father farmer of Higher Porth "according to the solemn declaration of Philippa Martyn the mother and only surviving parent of this ....... ....... she was born on the 7 December in the year 1819 and was subsequently baptised privately by the Rev C H Paynter but the baptism was not enterred into the book at that time"
Samuel MARTYN of lower St Columb = Philippa DREW otp by licence 5 Feb 1807 St Columb Major Both signed witnesses sorry I cant read it. I think the first one may be a Martyn the other Philip ? and ? Bone.
Cheers Kris 
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krisesjoint
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Nate at 9 weeks
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Right.
I am not seeing an obvious connection here but do not have time to study the tree so hopefully others will find it. These recoprds do tend to indicate these were also well to do families.
Samuel MARTYN aged 61 of Higher Porth was buried 18 Oct 1838 St Columb Minor
which seems to indicate
Samuel MARTYN was baptised 18 Nov 1776 St Columb Minor parents Samuel and Elizabeth
Samuel MARTYN otp officer in the customs = Elizabeth NICHOLLS otp spinster by Licence 12 Aug 1769 St Columb Minor both signed witnesses Thomas Nicholls and Richard Nicholls
Cheers Kris
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Diam
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Hi All
I expect that people are aware that the first Samuel Martyn of Porth was first married to Margaret Martyn, daughter of Joseph, who died in childbirth. And while I am here does anyone have anything more on their son Richard's family than is on the tree? I know that Richard & his (second) wife were in Plymouth c1814
Best wishes
Di
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chucky
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Hi,
Thankyou everyone for the information posted so far. It certainly makes interesting reading.
Apologies for assuming the marriage of a Martyn/Cardell was somehow marrying beneath themselves, they were my grandmothers words many years ago. I know the Martyns were very well off, the oil painting I have took sometime to complete and the subject had to travel many times to London by horse and carriage, not cheap or easy by any standard!
Will have to have a look at the painting again to see if i can piece together who it might be...i'm pretty sure they are dated.
Thankyou also to Terri, look forward to receiving any info you have.
Joanne
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bcharles4
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Dear Kris - and others
I'm another descendant of the Martyns of St Columb Minor - one of my
g4grandmothers being Mary Martyn (1770-1845), daughter of John M
and Gertrude Hiscutt. She married James Liddell (ca. 1765-1839),
who started a family business as printer and stationer in Bodmin in
about 1787 that lasted well into the 20th C.
They married in St Columb Minor in 1793, and had 10 children
(and about 40 grandchildren- virtually all the 19th C Liddells
in Cornwall are descended from them - so much easier to sort than
all those Martyns!). Their 4th son, William Liddell (1802-1854), was a
surgeon who emigrated to Madras with his family in 1833 and became
Coroner of Madras; the attached photo is of his eledest daughter,
my g2grandmother, Susan Gertrude Liddell (1828-1911), probably
from around the time of her marriage in 1847 to a scottish east
india merchant, George Walker (1818-1904). I have a diary of
theirs for 1860-63, when they were living in Wimbledon (with
George still running his company in Madras).
With best wishes
Denis Mollison
Do you have any more on James Liddell?
BC
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