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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #15 on: Monday 23 June 08 10:56 UTC (UK) »
Hi kilmartin

Gertrude BONYTHON bap 2 Jun 1625 St Columb Minor father John

John BONYTHON Gent = Margery TRESILIAN Gent 8 Jan 1606 Newlyn East

John BONYTHON esquire = Mrs Gertrude BURTON 4 Dec 1648 Newlyn East

I believe John who married Gertrude Burton was probably Gertrude's Brother - the son of John and Margery bap 4 Apr 1619 St Columb Minor

Cheers Kris  Cheesy
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #16 on: Monday 23 June 08 13:03 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Kris,

That makes sense - it looks like the Carclew Bonythons were a different branch than the ones in St Columb minor.

Many Thanks
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 July 08 22:00 UTC (UK) »
I'd like to thank you all of this extra information.
I never realised there was a window  Cheesy How exciting, and the information on the William of Madras!

I am about to contact dmollison as I too have connections with the Martyn/Liddell line.

I know I've got Bonython's on my tree somewhere too, best go have a look. Smiley
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 23:11 UTC (UK) »
While on the early Martyns, I notice that Ann Hiscutt = Capt. John Christian then she = John Budd 2May 1770 St Columb Minor. I have found that he was probably John Turnavine Budd. I also see that A Rev. Richard Budd (Curate of St Columb Minor) = Mrs. Gertrude Turnavine 7 Feb 1744. There is also a Rev Richard Budd (Clerk of Parish) = Mrs Jane Martyn 17 May 1764.
My question is;
1. Are the two Rev. Richard Budds the same man?
2. Who were Mrs Gertrude Turnavine and Mrs Jane Martyn's previous husbands?

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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 01:02 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ding,

Same man I feel though not specified.

The Rev Richard BUDD curate otp = Mrs Gertrude TURNAVINE 7 Feb 1743 St Columb Minor

John Turnavine BUDD was baptised 11 Jun 1744 St Columb Minor son of Richard and Gertrude

Birth and then burial of last child Dec 1755 and then

Gertrude wife of the Rev Richard BUDD was buried 5 Jan 1756 St Columb Minor

17 May 1764.....BUDD The Rev Richard Clerk OTP = MARTYN Mrs Jane Spinster OTP by Licence. Both Signed. Witnesses: Thomas Salmon and John ?

As you can see Jane was single. Common among gentry to describe a gentlewaman as Mrs even when single (a symbol of her status) Same goes for Gertrude Turnavine the daughter of John and Thomasine baptised 22 Jun 1722 St Columb Minor. Looks like Jane is daughter of Thomas and Catharine 2 Feb 1721 but don't know who they are at mo. Hit send accidentally - still looking  Roll Eyes

Cheers Kris  Cheesy
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 02:19 UTC (UK) »
Righteo to continue:-


2 May 1770.....BUDD John Gentleman = CHRISTIAN Anne of Crantock by Licence Dated Apr 4. Both Signed. (John signed John Turnavine Budd) Witnesses: Joan White and Anne White

Doesn't mention Anne being widowed. I don't see a previous marriage   Undecided

Cheers Kris  Cheesy
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 02:56 UTC (UK) »
The first marriage was in Looe 4 July 1754 to Captain John Christian. 2 children - daughter Ann and brother John born in Looe. daughter married Crantock son married Cubert.........Kris  Cheesy
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 03:53 UTC (UK) »
Hi Kris,
I was about to say the Capt. John Christian came from the Martyn tree but I see that you have tracked him down.
In the IGI it has 3 Gertrudes (daughter of John and Thomasine Turnavine) The first two I presume are the one person, 12 Feb 1710 & 12 Feb 1711. I presume this one must have died before the 23 Jun 1722. It seems a bit strange that she was refered to as Mrs. when only 20 years old.
I see Gertrude's sister Thomasine married John Martyn (son of Thomas Martyn & Gertrude Turnavine)
I cant see any children of Richard Budd & Jane Martyn.

Thank you for your efforts, its slowly coming into place.
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 12 August 08 02:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi Everyone,
I was going through some old postcards and came across a picture of Penpol so I thought I would post it for the interest of other Martyn descendants.
I believe the picture was most likely taken around 1900 as my G mother stayed there at this time.

I believe that Penpol was the home of the Martyns from at least the late 1600s as I am told that Thomas Martyn = Gertrude Turnavine lived there.
It appears that Joseph Martyn = Dorothy Warne, Thomas Martyn = Ann King, William Martyn = Mary Hiscutt and their bachelor son William all lived in Penpol.
I think the house was sold in the 1970's.

I dont have any proof of the above except information in a few letters written to my mother by her Martyn cousin in Cornwall.

If anybody has any information on the house/ farm I would be interested.

Regards Ding.

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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 12 August 08 13:29 UTC (UK) »
 Shocked Thank you so much for that Ding.
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #25 on: Monday 25 August 08 04:44 UTC (UK) »
I am trying to follow the line of Margaret Martyn daughter of Joseph Martyn + Dorothy Warne.
As far as I can see she was born in 1745 and = Samuel Martyn 22 May 1766 in Crantock. They have a son Richard b. 3 Mar 1767 (St Columb Minor) after that it gets hazy. Did Margaret die in childbirth?
On the tree it looks as if their son Richard = Margaret Martyn 21 Dec 1793 (he is listed as a shipwright of Padstow) they have no offspring. Then he = Patty Inch and they have two children:

Richard = Elizabeth Lane  they have about 9 children
John = Elizabeth Congdon  they have 1 child

I cant find any reference to a Patty Inch or the deaths of the two Margaret Martyns.
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 26 August 08 00:09 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ding,

Dont know about these two sons Richard and John. I have one son born and died to Richard and Martha INCH  who married 16 Aug 1795 Padstow - Joseph b 31 Mar 1797 buried 1 Aug 1798. I can't see any others nor can I find anything on them. Do you have anything at all on these two alleged sons? I have spent so much time last night and again this morning and I cannot find baptisms or anything whatsoever further. There is a John = Eliza CONGDON 8 Aug 1835 in Stoke Damerel IGI but I don't see them in the census. Do you have any census or anything concrete? ................Kris  Cheesy
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 26 August 08 00:47 UTC (UK) »
Hi Kris,

The main thing I was going off is the drawn tree I sent to you some time ago. It shows 2 marriages for Richard Martyn. Samuel Martyn (his father) is in Roman print which means he married into the family of Thomas Martyn since 1696. I had also checked the IGI and OPC.

I havent looked at the census yet. If the first Margaret in Padstow died in childbirth the timing of the second would fit. I have come across a couple of mistakes on the tree before.

It looks as if the Stoke Dameral marriage fits this family.
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 26 August 08 01:18 UTC (UK) »
Sorry Ding, 

Yes Margaret did die in Childbirth. I have been focusing in on these two sons. As you say we have found mistakes before. I sat here last night trying to find them with no luck. Didn't add a single thing I didn't already have. Hope you have better luck than me. If they had 2 more sons I would like to know where. There are other Martyn's in Devon so this marriage may not connect.........Kris
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #29 on: Friday 29 August 08 03:52 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
Another puzzle from the Martyn Tree.
The tree shows Margaret Martyn( daughter of Thomas & Gertrude(Turnavine)) as marrying Richard Johns & them having only 2 children:
1. Margaret (who = Henry Rice)
2. Richard (who = Gertrude Martyn)

My first problem is that the OPC shows Richard Johns = Margaret Martin 7 Jan 1729 in Crantock. It gives the grooms residence as St Agnes.
Now the IGI for children of Richard Johns Chr. after 1729 in St Agnes shows:
1. James 1 Nov 1731
2. Thomas 1 Dec 1733
3. Richard  20 Nov 1734
4. Chesten  4 Feb 1737
5. Margaret. 1 Dec 1733.
I see there is another Johns family (Richard = Honor) with children of similar names but about 10 years younger in St Agnes.
I presume the first family are that of Richard and Margaret (Martyn) and they have 5 children and not 2 as the tree shows.

I think the second mistake on the tree is with Richard (son of Richard & Margaret) who is just shown as = Gertrude Martyn and having 7 children.
The OPC shows Richard Johns = Margaret Nicholls 19 Nov 1763 in Crantock. It also shows Richard Johns = Gertrude Martyn 15 Jul 1766 in Crantock. In this marriage Richard has a (w) next to him. I cannot find a death of Margaret Johns (Nicholls) between 1763 and 1766. It appears they (Richard + Margaret) had a son Richard Chr. 8 Sep 1764.

Hope this is clear.

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