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Topic: Loch/Kilgour(look up,please) (Read 1132 times)
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teadealer
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I have been unable to find any information regarding a [JOHN LOCH,he married a Margaret Kilgour possibly about 1800,the children Isabella,Elizabeth,John,Thomas were born in Cupar,but the whereabouts of John Loch remains a mystery,any ideas.
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Piglet01
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Hello teadealer
Just off the IGI.
1780 to 1820
29 Margaret Kilgours - none married to a John Loch or similar. (one to a John Leak in the 1780's)
09 John Lochs or similar - none married to a Margaret Kilgour
The only 2 children on the IGI
Betty Loch b. 08 Sep 1806, Cupar
Isabella Loch b. 31 Oct 1802, Cupar
Regards, Steve :O)
Update: A check on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - I cannot find a marriage for the couple. Only one hit for a death for a Margaret Loch - 'other name' Kilgour - after 1855.
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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Hi Teadealer & welcome to RootsChat (& Fife  )
I am just slightly off topic, but do you know who are the parents of your Margaret Kilgour? I have a Robert Kilgour in my tree, born 1869 Abbotshall, Fife parents Robert Kilgour and Elizabeth Maxton. He had a sister Margaret Kilgour born 1867. Looking further at the IGI, there is a Margaret Kilgour married in Abbotshall in 1802 - perhaps more likely to be the sibling of my Robert.
Do you have your John & Margaret on any of the census records?
The record found by Piglet is a death in 1870, born 1776, county is Fife.
This might be the census (but a few Margaret Kilgours around - I can't easily see a Margaret Loch)
1861 Riggs Row Cupar Fife Reg 420 Ed 8 Sch 47
Margaret Kilgour 85 mother in law born Cupar Fife
George Taylor 58 head Chelsea Pensioner born Balmerino Fife
Isabella Taylor 58 wife born Cupar Fife
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teadealer
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Hello Trish
Thanks for info
I have a copy of an old parochial register for 1830,which lists a John King and elizabeth Loch having married on the 30/12/1830 in Collessie,the Isabella Taylor nee Loch was the first born of JL and MK,the parents of MK as far as I can see are George Kilgour and Isabel Wilson or Watson,I have somewhere more info MK but,at her baptism were Robert Kilgour (Wright) and Alexander Meldrum(Laberour),the Loch surname has been used as a christian name for two generations,and so this John Loch remians a mystery
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If related to mine, somewhat more distant, but the same names seem to keep recurring. The Loch name does not seem common. Sorry I found nothing else
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teadealer
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Thanks for the effort
The latter part of the message you sent regarding riggs row,Margaret Kilgour was living there with her daughter Isabel Taylor and hubby and also my Great Grandmother Elizabeth King(Loch) died there on the 10th March 1891,and also MK had 2 brothers David and Robert.
Thanks again for the info,I never realised how friendly everyone has been.I will carry on searching.
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sancti
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Certainly it is a generation before but going by the names there may be a connection
20/08/1768 LOUGHTIE JOHN married AGNES KILCOUGAR at Torryburn /FIFE
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teadealer
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Thanks Diddymiller
The John Loch i'm trying to find was in the Fife Militia when his son John was born in 1809,anyway thanks for info.
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JAP
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Certainly it is a generation before but going by the names there may be a connection
20/08/1768 LOUGHTIE JOHN married AGNES KILCOUGAR at Torryburn /FIFE
Hello sancti,
I've only just noticed the above post; I can offer some further information about that entry.
The given name of "John" is a transcription error in the IGI.
The groom's given name was actually Andrew.
I suspected this when first I saw that Torryburn entry in the IGI many years back (I've done virtually a one-name study on the rare name LOCHTIE and its variants).
Once SP put the OPR images up, I was able to check this out and found the following ...
The Torryburn OPR entry clearly records the groom's name as Andrew LOUGHTIE and his parish as Aberdour; date of proclamation as 20 Aug 1768.
The Aberdour OPR records the groom's name as Andrew LOCHTY of the parish of Aberdour and the bride as Agnes KILGOUR of the parish of Torryburn; date of initial proclamation as 20 Aug and date of marriage as 30 Aug 1768.
Interestingly (?), SP also has the Torryburn entry wrongly indexed as John.
Andrew's birth/baptism entries (Aberdour & Burntisland) spell his name as LOCHTIE; it is rendered as LOCHTY at the births/baptisms of his children.
Andrew is my children's 4th great granduncle.
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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teadealer
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Hi JAP
Just read your post,it just shows how you can be thrown off the scent.
The Loch name could be a varient of the one you mentioned,the plot thickens.
Cheers Peter
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JAP
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Hi Peter,
I would say with total confidence (   ) that LOCH wouldn't be a variant of - or even an error for - the name in which I'm interested.
OK, OK! I know those are famous last words and I might have to eat them 
But I've done so much work on the name that I'd truly be amazed if I ever turned up another variant or error.
But who knows ...
Best of luck with your research,
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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teadealer
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Hi JAP
Thanks
Read your reply,I'm clutching at straws as they say.Just getting nowhere fast with this name.
I'd better employ the services of "Poirot"
Thanks
Peter
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