|
Pages: [1]
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: Robert Welsh Bissett Rusell & Robert Welsh Bissett (Read 834 times)
|
'Trish'
RootsChat Member
Posts: 226
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I dont know if anyone can prove or disprove that Robert Welsh Bissett Russell and Robert Welsh Bissett are one and the same person. The information I have is that
Robert Welsh Bissett Russell: was born c1877 in Glasgow (birth cannot be found), his mother was Janet Russell nee Robson (sometime Robertson) his father was Joseph Russell who was an Iron Turner (according to RWB Russell's marriage certificate - Margaret Hamilton in 1911). Robert married Margaret Hamilton 18th Dec 1911 in Shettleston.
I have the 1891 Census for 338 Duke Street, Glasgow, head of family was Janet Russell age 50 a widow, her son Robert Russell age 13, daughter Catherine age 11 and Catherine Robertson (nee Munro) mother age 83 widow. According to the family RWB Russell was supppose to have died in Glasgow sometime 1930/31. Occupation: Railway goods guard/Regimental sergeant major (Family story)
Robert welsh Bissett:born 21st Sept 1877 in Troqueer, Dumfries, mother: Janet Bissett, Grandmother Janet Bissett(not sure this is right!), he married 1st Robyn Gardner Kirk in 1910, on the marriage certificate it mentions the grandmother:Janet Robson (Robertson this seems odd mentioning grandparent!)
Robyn Gardner Kirk died in Aug 11th 1910, then he married Margaret Hamilton in 8th Dec 1911(?). On RW bissetts death certificate: widower of Robyn Gardner Kirk & Margaret Hamilton 1959 Dumfries. On RW Bissett's marriage certificate to Robyn Garder Kirk, it gives the mothers name as: Janet Bissett nee Robson & the father as James Bissett (Mason). I have his death certificate: 6th April 1959 age 81 in Dumfries. His occupation was Railway Goods Guard/Navy/Army canteen assistant.
I am desperate to find out if this is one and the same person or are we mixing the information up! How do I go about finding out. As you can see there are many similarities , between these two including occupation and mothers & grandmothers name. How do I sort this out? Regards Trish
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
|
|
|
CaroleW
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 16658
Barney 1993-2005
|
Hi
Have you found either of them on the 1881 census with their family/families?
The only Robert Bissett I can find with a mother Janet is this one
6 Greendykes Road Uphall Linlithgow
David Bissett 39 b Airdrie occ Engine Driver
Janet 38 b Clackmannan
Thomas 10 b Uphall
Robert 3 b Uphall
Henrietta 12 b Armadale
Janet 5 b Armadale
Mary 5 months b Uphall
Peter Fairley 52 boarder b Ireland
However - there is one on the 1891 with a mother Jane and he was b 1876 Glasgow. If you track the family back to 1881 - mother is Jeannie and there is no Robert!!
1891 census - 19 Clyde St Glasgow - all b Glasgow
Jane Bissett 44 grocer
Margaret Bissett 21
Archibald Bissett 17
Robert Bissett 15
William Bissett 6 (see 1881 - mother was a widow pre-1881)
James M Anderson 58 brother in law
1881 for the above family - all b Glasgow
11 Silvergrove St Barony
Jeanie BISSET 36 Widow Occ: Grocer
Margaret Fraser BISSET 12
Rosina Anderson BISSET 10
Archibald BISSET 8
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
'Trish'
RootsChat Member
Posts: 226
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
That certainly is interesting and will keep on file, but dont know if that is correct, this problem has been trashed about abit, trying for some time to sort it out. Regards Trish
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
|
|
|
sancti
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1840
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Trish, have you viewed the BC's on SP
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
'Trish'
RootsChat Member
Posts: 226
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I have the census for 1891 338 Duke Street, Glasgow
Janet Russell head age 50 widow Born Lanarkshire Glasgow
Robert Russell son age 13 unemployed born Lanarkshire Glasgow
Catherine Russell dau 11 scholar born Lanarkshire Glasgow
Catherine Robertson Mother age 83 widow unemployed born Lanarkshire Glasgow
What I am trying to do is prove or disprove the link between Robert Welsh Bissett Russell and Robert Welsh Bissett, being one and the same person.
After the above census I cannot find Robert Russell any where. There is similarities between Robert Russell & Robert Bissett, birth date, Janet Robson (Robertson) both being married to Margaret (Maggie) Hamilton.
Regards Trish
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
|
|
|
sancti
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1840
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I had a look on SP Index
1877 BISSET ROBERT WELSH Male born TROQUEER /KIRKCUDBRIGHT
1949 BISSETT ROBERT WELSH Male born DALZIEL /LANARK
1951 BISSET ROBERT WELSH Male born HADDINGTON /EAST LOTHIAN
1914 RUSSELL ROBERT WELSH Male born GORBALS GLASGOW/LANARK
1914 RUSSELL ROBERT WELSH Male born GOVAN GLASGOW/LANARK
1917 RUSSELL ROBERT WELSH Male born CAMLACHIE GLASGOW/LANARK
Marriage records
1910 BISSETT ROBERT WELSH married KIRK ROBINA GARDINER at DUMFRIES
1911 RUSSELL ROBERT WELSH married HAMILTON MARGARET at SHETTLESTON
I think if you view some of the above records it will help solve your query
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
sancti
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1840
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
There is no birth for Robert Welsh RUSSELL in the age range you are looking for. The answer may lie in the Marriage records and if you view them on SP it should give parents names.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9062
|
Trish
I've got no answers to the puzzle over Robert, just adding a little more detail to what has already been posted.
The Robert that you have with mother Janet in 1891. This looks like the family entry in 1881:
Robert Russell 39, Coach Body Maker, b. Glasgow
Jessie Russell 36, b. Glasgow
Robert Russell 3 , b. Glasgow
Catherine M Russell 10 Months, b. Glasgow
Address: 14 Mathieson Rd , Kelvin Glasgow
You have the family in 1891. This looks like the family in 1901. Interesting to note young Robert's occupation:
Jessie Russell 57
Kate Russell 19
Robt Russell 27, Railway Porter - not sure about Robert's age on this, maybe the original image would be clearer.
Address: 17 Brown St, Milton Glasgow
On Ancestry's WW1 records, there is an entry for a Robert W Bisset, age 18 and 1 month, a millworker from Troqueer (date of military discharge 1894, after only 3 days service). Mother Janet Bissett (next of kin), living at 131 High Street Dumfries.
This looks to be this Robert's 1891 census entry with family:
Janet Bisset 58, head, receiving parochial aid, b. Dumfries
Thomasina Bisset 20, b. Morton Dumfries
Robert Bisset 13, b. Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Josephina Bisset 2, b. Dumfries, daughter (unlikely  , maybe Thomasina's daughter?)
Janet Bisset 89, mother, receiving parochial aid, b. Priestland, Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: 131 High St, Dumfries
This looks like Thomasina's birth entry on IGI, born on 08 SEP 1870 Morton By Thornhill, Dumfries - mother Janet Bisset
Quite a puzzle you have here!
Monica 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
'Trish'
RootsChat Member
Posts: 226
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
I think I can now say that Robert Welsh Bissett and Robert Welsh Bissett Russell are not one and the same. I have the 1891 Census for RWB living at 131 High Street Dumfries with his family
Janet Bissett age 58 head of family born Dumfries
Thomasina Bissett age 20 born Morton Dumfries
Robert Bissett age 13 born Maxwelltown
Josephina age 2 born Dumfries
Janet Bissett Mother age 89
1891 census for RWBR
338 Duke street Glasgow
Janet Russell age 50 widow born Glasgow
Robert Russell son age 13 born Glasgow
Catherine dau age 11 born Glasgow
Catherine Robertson mother age 83 widow born lanarkshire.
The only problem I now have is to locate Robert Welsh Bissett Russell's birth, and his mother Janet's marriage. I know from Robert W B Russell's marriage certificate that his father was Joseph Russell an iron turner, so I would be eternally greatful if anyone comes across either of these.
I would also like to say a big thankyou to all who have helped me unmuddle my family history, this has taken five years to unravel!
Regards Trish
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1]
|
|
|
|
|
