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haydnward
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Hi
I am trying to find any information on a Robert Roberts. Who I believe from a newspaper article I found died in Creswick Hospital, Australasia on the 8th August 1869 age 22 and is Buried in Clunes Cemetery.
He was born in Trefriw, North Wales UK in about 1847. He was the Son of John Roberts and Mary Thomas.
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Haydn
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haydnward
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Hi
Thanks for all the information you have sent me. I will have a good look at it all. I must admit I have just started to research this side of the family tree. Up to now I have a newspaper article on his death and some writting about him on the family grave. What interests me most is that the entire family(parents and 5 children) all died within the space of 10 years.
Here is a translation of what I have found so far. Remember this was written in welsh so it may not be quite right:-
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
(Weds Oct 27 1869)
Death
August 8th aged 22 years, in Creswick Hospital, Australia, Robert Roberts, eldest son of Mr John Roberts, Coed Gwydyr, Trefriw. During his short stay in that country he was cherished and earned the respect of his Christian friends in Clunes (where the services where held in a shop), this was proved by the kindness shown to him during the time he was in hospital, and also in the honourable funeral arranged for him. It is deserving and appropriate that his extended family and the Methodist Church in Trefriw where he was raised, feel the strongest obligation to thank them most warmly for the respect and kindness shown by them to a young man in a foreign land, and not only that but we greatly rejoice that we have a church which is able to manifest such Christian virtues towards one so far from the reach of a father, a mother or any other relative to minister the last obligations for him.
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GRAVE STONE in St Mary Church, Trefriw, Wales
In loving memory of Robert eldest son of John and Mary Roberts, Coed Gwydyr who was buried on 10th August 1869 aged 22 years in Clunes Cemetery Australia. Of Winifred second daughter of the aforementioned John and Mary Roberts who went to Jesus December 3rd 1873 aged 18 years, of Anne their eldest daughter who left this world on January 23rd 1876 aged 31 years, also the aforementioned John Roberts who died April 17th 1876 aged 53 years.
As a friend he was faithful. As a countryman he was wise. As a Christian he was pure. As a deacon in the Calvinistic Methodist Union for the last twenty years of his life he was vocal and successful. Of Mary youngest daughter of John and Mary Roberts who died September 8th, 1878 aged 15 years and for the aforementioned Mary Roberts who died October 6th 1878 aged 57 years also John Roberts the youngest son, the last of the family who left this world February 1st 1879 aged 21 years.
Thanks again
Haydn
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sparrett
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Hi,
What an amazing piece of documentation!
It tells us a lot including that he came without family to Australia and that he was 'well-behaved' which was not always the norm in those days on the goldfields.
We wonder whether he was mining there or ,in fact as it appears in family tradition, spreading the good word
I was at Clunes not long ago and visited the cemetery where he is. It is quite beautiful and the weathered headstones frequently tell stories of loss and accidents in the hard life of the times.
I will see if I can find some pictures of modern day CLunes which has been classified as to be preserved. Because of this, it appears much the same as in its heyday.
Someone with index access I'm sure will find the death entry for you and, with luck, you will be able to download or order the certificate and learn more about him.
Meantime, you could make a start here.
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria
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trish251
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This is probably the death registration. You can download the certificate - which may not provide alot more information, although it would have cause of death if unknown
Robert Roberts Age 23 parents unknown birthplace Wales died Victoria 1869 ref 6490
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haydnward
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Hi All
Thanks for all this help. I never realized there was so much information out there to obtain. I have put a posting up on the site you gave me for Creswick Hospital. So fingers crossed will get a reply.
Just a quick question on the BMD Site you gave me. What exactly do you get for your $0.99. Is it just a page similar to what you would get on say Freebmd.org? Surely it cant be a full death certificate for that price 
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trish251
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You are correct - you will only get the index entry which I have already given you. If you go to the link to download a certificate image you will get the full certificate - $17.50AU - You will need the ref number that I have given - I was hoping someone else may double check that I have the right record, but I can see no other for that year with approx the correct age. I just checked the number 6490
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haydnward
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Hi Trish
Thanks for that. What I will think I will do first is wait to see if I get a reply on the creswick Hospital lead.
As this guy is not direct family I do not want to go forking out to much money just yet.
Thanks again for all the help. Hopefully with all your advice I am now on the right path.
Haydn
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trish251
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Given that you know where he was buried, and the parent names are not on the certificate, it would seem the informant did not have alot of information about your man. The cause of death would be the main item to learn and you may get that from the hospital. Was it likely to have been an accident? He was very young. If an accident there may have been an inquest/enquiry
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haydnward
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Not a clue but it would be interesting to find out. I am hopeing some kind soul out there has this CD I have read about on Creswick Hospital.
I would also love to know how all he rest of his family died in such a short space of time after his death.
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haydnward
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Just out of interest here are another 2 Obituary's I have found for the family so far. Please remember these are translated from welsh so may not be quite right 
Heres the first one:
Death
Roberts – January 23rd, after many months of painful infirmity, aged 31 years, Miss Anne Roberts, Coed Gwydir, Trefriw died. She testified during her illness that all falseness was abolished, that she was in God’s peace and that she was going to peace, bliss and everlasting glory.
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And the second:
April 29th 1876
Death
Roberts – April 17th, aged 55 years, Mr John Roberts, Coed Gwydir, Trefriw. Mr Roberts was a respected deacon with the Calvinistic Methodists in Trefriw for many years: and we can say that not many went to the grave after such important duties as un-stumbling as he did. His gentleness, his kindness, his determined spirit, his ability and his unquestioning piety earned the attention and love of everyone. The renowned sons of Tan y Castell were his uncles, that is to say, his mother’s brothers and it is said he was alike in both body and mind to the Old Talysarn. He was ill, very ill for a very long time A year to the day of his burial he had been in Llanrwst to convey his fellow deacon, Mr John Williams, Ty’n y Fynwent, to his final resting place and there he caught a chill and was never the same afterwards. A few months ago he buried his eldest daughter, Anne, he was very ill at that time and the circumstances made a profound impression on his mind, they were very fond of each other. He was buried in Trefriw Cemetery the following Thursday when a large crowd conveyed him to his final resting place.
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I know that these are not revelent to Robert Roberts, but they are still an interesting read.
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mrmagoo460
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Hi Haydn,
Just to add to what the others have given you, here is an Hospital Admission record for Robert Roberts.
26/5/1869 Creswick Hospital Inpatient, Robert Roberts age 23, single, occupation: plasterer?, born Wales, residence: Clunes. No other information given.
I also checked the Victorian Inquest Index just incase, but nothing there.
All the best,
Magoo
Ref: Index to Victorian Goldfields Hospitals Admissions cd.
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