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Topic: Edmund Dobson birth please - City of Edinburgh (Read 175 times)
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MansfieldTerrier
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Henry Pashby, born Levisham 1816, and wife Mary
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Hi all
I have an Edmund Dobson born probably in the first 1/4 of 1844 in the City of Edinburgh.
Here's everything I know ...
- 1851 census: staying in Scalby, North Yorks., with grandparents William and Ann Chapman, (HO107/2368 Folio 546 Page 9)
- 1861 census: lodging with John Reading, 8 Oxford Terrace, Porter Street, Myton, Kingston-upon-Hull, East Yorks. (RG9/3595, Folio 56, Page 6)
- 1871 census: ??
- 1881 census: living at 5 Brookland Terrace, Scarborough (RG11/4803 Folio: 12 page: 15) ** Brookland Terrace is now part of Victoria Road, the section between Brook Street and Cambridge Street. It was renamed by 1890 as it's not on the ordinance survey for that year. However the houses may still be the same; they are now shops and a take-away. ** He is EDWARD on this **
- 1890 June quarter, married in Camberwell, London, volume 1d page 1400
- 1891 census: living at 19 Evandale Rd, Lambeth, Kennington, London (RG12/405 Folio 108 Page 25)
- 1901 census: living at 27 Paulet Street, Lambeth, Kennington, London (RG13/419, Folio 33, Page 3)
- 1909 married Kate Agnes Chapman, June quarter, Lambeth, London, vol 1d page 681
- 1922 died, 19th July in Scarborough
Can anyone please confirm the birth?
MT 
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area SEDMAN in Scarborough BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, Scarborough SUTTON in Wintringham, North Yorks. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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MonicaLesl
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Hi MT
Nothing showing for him on the Old Parish Registers unfortunately. I searched for an Ed* Dob* to pick up on any variants. Do you have his parents' names to see if they had any other children in Scotland?
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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hume24
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Hi MT and Monica,
1881 census shows Edmund staying with parents, John and Faith Dobson.
I think I see a submitted entry on the IGI for their marriage on the 28th Jan 1845 at St Mary's in Kingston Upon Hull. Has this date been confirmed? If so, it might mean Edmund was born before their marriage and therefore born Chapman. 
hume24
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MansfieldTerrier
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Henry Pashby, born Levisham 1816, and wife Mary
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Hi Monica and Hume24
I have had had REAL difficulties with this family! As you can see - I don't know where he is at all in 1861 as NONE of them show up in that year. Father (JOHN DOBSON) was a clothier/woollen clothes dealer and it appears that he was quite an itinerant. The marriage to Faith in Myton IS correct and Edmund WAS born out of wedlock, and we think that is why he was lodged with his grandparents in 1851, although he is clearly Edmund DOBSON on the census return for that year. You may, of course, be correct that he was born Edmund CHAPMAN - I had not considered that. But where? All the censuses have him as born as in Edinburgh, so the visit down to Hull showed that they moved around. It's not even the bride's parish, as her family lived in Scalby, near Scarborough! (1841 and 1851 census shows this).
Other children? YES! But they are very straightforward and born in Scarborough. However ...
There are some issues regarding Edmund's father, John Dobson, and then John's father, JOHN DOBSON Snr, just to complicate matters!
John Dobson Jnr (1818-1900) has always been listed as born in Edinburgh on all of the censuses, like his son Edmund. How would he know this? Father told him? Perhaps he had a broad Scots accent? Who knows? Why might they lie? Why am I querying this fact?
Well ... I think that John Dobson Jnr was actually born in Wakefield because in the 1841 census there is a John Dobson Snr (clothier) and a son John Dobson Jnr (clothier) lodging in the house of Richard Venables in Scott Lane, Doncaster, South Yorks. (HO107/1340 folio 39 page 13); they are both listed as being born in county - which MIGHT be an error - or could point to the fact that they were in fact from West Yorkshire!
Let's look at JD Snr - or at least, the clothier from Wakefield, who I believe to be JD Jnr's father and grandfather to Edmund. He always maintained that he was from Wakefield, so no problem there! By the 1851 census JD Snr is living at 8 Auborough Street, Scarborough, North Yorks. (HO107/2368 folio 258 page 20) - so he moved down to Scarborough with his son who is now married and living in Scarborough. In 1856 he is still living at 8 Auborough Street, Scarborough, North Yorks (wife Frances's death certificate) and by the 1861 census he seems impoverished and is lodging at 4 Hope Street, Scarborough, North Yorks. (RG9/3616 folio 42 page 25) in the house of John Slinger. Strangely (coincidentally again??) there are descendants of his living further down Hope Street in the 1881 census! By the 1871 census I cannot find him, neither can I find a death, but it seems certain that he is dead, perhaps unrecorded and in a pauper's grave.
Further evidence is that on 6th December 1802, a John Dobson (I think this might be JD Snr) married a Fanny Hartley in Kippax, West Yorkshire; is this them? Would Fanny be Frances to tie in with the Frances Dobson who appears with JD Snr in the later censues and dies in 1856 in Scarborough at the 'correct' address of Auborough Street? JD Snr had two children as far as I can ascertain - James (born Glasgow c1811  ) and JD Jnr (Edinburgh, as we know) James appears as a witness to the marriage of John Jnr and Faith Chapman as does an Ann Dobson (who I take to be the wife of James (1861 census confirms this)). Now then, in 1851 James Dobson has a daughter born, and she is named Fanny - coincidence? Is she named after HIS father's wife, Fanny Hartley?
So are the clan REALLY from Wakefield/Kippax/West Yorks?
My point being, that maybe John Dobson Jnr was proud of his Scots connections and either WAS based in Scotland when Edmund was born - but how would he have met Faith Chapman from Scalby? - or else perhaps he fibbed to sustain the idea of some Scottish roots which are entirely fabricated?
Hmmmmmmmm ... answers on the back of a postcard by Friday please, to ...
MT
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area SEDMAN in Scarborough BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, Scarborough SUTTON in Wintringham, North Yorks. Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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