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tommacgregor
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Hi!,
I am venturing onto the Ayrshire Board to seek help in my search for information on the Jackson family who appears to have lived in this beautiful part of Scotland for some considerable time. I am unfamiliar with the various towns and villages of Ayrshire, and so I hope that I will not appear too naive when discussing where I believed my ancestors lived.
As I progress through my Family Tree, I will try to give as much information as possible so as to save other researchers the trouble of duplicating my work. Whenever possible, I will try to give sources of information. If I don't, please excuse me, because I tend to be a bit forgetful due to the medication that I'm obliged to take. Just give me a gentle nudge!
Agnes Jackson was the wife of Peter Ferns, a calico block printer, who, I believe was born in Glasgow about 1799. Peter died on on the 2nd October, 1884 at Mossland Cottage, Renfrewshire and I have a copy of his Death Certificate. I have no idea when Peter married Agnes Jackson. However, I do know that their son, John Jackson Ferns was born about 1833 and married a Susan Armstrong on the 28th July, 1874 at Windsor Terrace in Glasgow. This was his second marriage, but I have no details to hand of his first marriage. Again, I have a copy of his Death Certificate which states that he died on 15th May, 1884 at No. 3 Alice Street, Hutchesontown, Lanarkshire. As I see it, we have quite reliable documentation on the Death Certificates.
To get back to our Agnes Ferns, Maiden Surname, Jackson, she died on the 6th October, 1872 at Busby in Renfrewshire at the age of 66, telling us that she would have been born around 1807. Her Death Certificate tells me that her parents were James Jackson and Margaret Millar. This is where my problems start, and I'm hopeful that other researchers on the Ayrshire Board will be prepared to work with me to fill in a few blanks.
I know that a James Jackson and a Margaret Millar had the following children: Hugh Jackson, born 16th July 1801 at Sorn, Mary Jackson, born 24th March, 1803 at Sorn, and Agnes Jackson born on 15th November, 1807 at St Quivox & Newton, Ayr. My source for that information is from Film No. 1041406 and 1041467. Unfortunately, I am unable to find a marriage date or place for James and Margaret.
There you have it - a few faltering steps in an attempt to learn something about this family on my Family Tree. I would dearly like your assistance, and I do have a lot of time on my hands since I am elderly and disabled.
My very best wishes.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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I have just noticed that "Sancti" is making enquiries about members of the Jackson family too. Obviously I would not wish to duplicate our searching, and so I'm pleased to note that what I wrote in my previous posting does not clash with anything discussed so far.
It had occurred to me that the names of the childen born to James Jackson and Margaret Millar could assist us in our search, expecially if the Scot's custom of naming patterns was adhered to. If Hugh, the eldest son, was the eldest son, chr. 19th July 1801 at Sorn, then it's entirely possible that he was named after his paternal Grandfather. If Mary was the eldest daughter, then she could have been named after the maternal Grandmother.
I had actually done a bit of work on this some time ago, and was looking for Jackson families with the names Hugh, Mary and Agnes (or Anne). I was also looking closely at the location of the family. I came across a family where Hugh Jackson was the Head of the Household. Interestingly, I found that Hugh Jackson's family lived at Dailly in Ayrshire, (about 6 miles east of Girvan) and named his children: David, William, Mary, John, Hugh, Margaret, Anne, Gilbert and Robina. I noted that the births were spread over the period 1741 - 1759.
In order to ensure that "Sancti" is not inconvenienced in any way, it may be worth mentioning that the source of my information was derived from FHL Film No. 1041337.
I hope that the above may be found to be of some assistance.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi,
In order to give people researching the Jackson family a bit of useful information, I thought it would be useful to have a look at some of the work that I did some time ago and start to connect some of the individuals. I am aware that other researchers such as Sancti and Diddymiller have quite an interest in this family, and certainly wouldn't want them to duplicate work that I have already carried out - I respect them too much for that, and greatly appreciate the wonderful support that they give me.
The main source of my enquiries has been Batch Number, C.115852 and M115852 Source Call Number 1041337, and that should help Sancti and Diddymiller to narrow down their searches.
John Jackson married Mary Gordon on the 6th March, 1712 , and that fact can be seen on the FHL Film 1041337 recorded at Dailly in Ayrshire. I then had a look at the birth of their children and came up with:
Agnes Jackson christened 18th January, 1713 at Dailly in Ayrshire, which is about six miles east of Girvan
Gilbert Jackson christened 5th December, 1714 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Hugh Jackson christened 28th April, 1717 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Margaret Jackson christened 26th July, 1719 at Dailly in Ayrfshire.
John Jackson christened 13th August, 1721 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Robert Jackson christened 12th July, 1724 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
William Jackson christened 29th January, 1727 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Now, whilst researching the family, I noticed how the family had congregated in certain towns and villages around Ayrshire, and thought that it may make things just that bit easier if I mentioned them and showed just how close they are, which explains the marriages of individuals from neighbouring parishes.
Barr Coylton Crosshill Dailly Girvan Kirkmichael Kirkoswald St Quivox and Newton Straiton
What I also hope to show is the migration of certain members of the Jackson north-east into the area south of the City of Glasgow, i.e. in Renfrewshire.
I will continue with further information that will suggest that the family adhered to the Scots custom of naming patterns.
My best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!,
To continue with our study of the Jackson family. I would like you to look at the previous posting and look the son of John Jackson and Mary Gordon, i.e. Hugh Jackson christened on 28th April, 1717. Now, I think that we all agree that this was some considerable time ago, and the further that we go back in time, the more unreliable the records seem to be
Did this Hugh Jackson marry Anna Hood on the 29th November, 1739 when he was about 22 years old, and did the marriage take place at Dailly in Ayrshire? It's pretty clear that certain children's Extracted Birth/Christening Records appear on Batch No: C115852 for the years 1691-1820, but can we believe them?
Perhaps we can find a few clues by looking at some of these extracted records and taking into consideration, possible naming patterns.
Mary Jackson Extracted birth/christ. 27th May, 1744 at Dailly in Ayrshire. Is it unreasonable for me to ask, "Was she named after her Grandmother, Mary Gordon?"
John Jackson born in 1745. Was he named after his Grandfather, John Jackson?
Hugh Jackson born in 1747 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
David Jackson born in 1749 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Margaret Jackson. We see the Extracted birth/christening for 12th May, 1751 on the same Batch Number, i.e. C115852.
Anne Jackson. Again, an Extracted birth/christening record, this time for 17th December, 1752 at Dailly in Ayrshire. Was she named after her mother, Anne (or Anna) Hood?
Now, I know that there are people out there who tut, tut at the very idea that I should not have completed the entire exercise and am looking for fellow researchers to take a look at it. There is nothing whatsoever wrong in that, since those researchers have already indicated that they are more than happy to work alongside me. Further, I am not asking them to spend their money on conducting long-winded searches. Much of the work has already been done, and these other researchers are aware that the exercise is of some interest to people researching the Jackson family. They give their assistance with a good heart.
My best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!,
To be perfectly honest, I wasn't too happy with certain parts of my previous posting, and one of the reasons for that was the gap between the date of marriage of Hugh Jackson and Anna Hood in November, 1739 and the birth of their daughter, Mary in May, 1744. I most certainly didn't want people like Sancti and Diddymiller to be inconvenienced in any way, and so I took a much closer look at FHL Film 1041337 Dates: 1711-1855. What I found is worthy of consideration and would appear to fit in quite well with the previous information.
David Jackson birth date: 22nd April, 1741
christening date:26th April, 1741 Recorded at Dailly in Ayrshire.
If I'm correct he died before May 1749, since another David was born 17th May, 1749 to Hugh Jackson and his wife.
Father: Hugh Jackson.
William Jackson birth date: 24th December, 1742 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
christening date:26th December, 1742 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Father: Hugh Jackson.
Now, I like the look of the revised list of children but, and there has to be a but! Was the mother of the children named above, Anna Hood? The details are not as clear as I would like, and I certainly wouldn't want other researchers to jump to wrong conclusions. I would prefer to see some reasonable proof of the birth/christening of these children and if that means comparing records with other Search Engines, then, so be it, if that's O.K, with the people doing the extra search.
My best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!,
For my final posting for the day, I have taken yet another look at my previous postings and examined Gilbert Jackson, the son of John Jackson and Mary Gordon who had married on the 6th Of March, 1712. Gilbert was born/chris. on the 5th December, 1714 and, being the eldest son, I wonder if he was named after his Paternal Grandfather.
Again, with Sancti and Diddymiller working closely with me, I wonder if this Gilbert Jackson married Lilias Paterson on the 11th November, 1735 at Dailly in Ayrshire when he was about 21 years old.
I have had a look at Batch Number C115852 Dates: 1691-1820 Source Call No: 1041337 and found three Extracted Birth/Christening Records, which I know will please Sancti, since it makes him feel a bit more comfortable. Wise man!
Anna Jackson Extr. chrs. 4th November, 1739 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Jean Jackson Extr. chrs. 9th May, 1742 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Lilly Jackson Extr. chr. 9th May, 1742 at Dailly in Ayrshire.
Now, if the information that I have posted today is found to be accurate by my fellow researchers, then I will believe that I have made a pretty good start in our study of the Jackson family. It is early days though, and there is lots more to do, including taking a look at those nearby parishes and arriving at a date post-1807, when I believe a branch of the family moved into nearby Renfrewshire.
I will repeat that I have no wish to inconvenience anyone, least of all Sancti and Diddymiller. I am more than happy to do my fair share of the work, and if that means driving to the nearest Family History Centre to obtain further information, then I will gladly do it. It may be interesting to compare the information on S.P. with Ancestry for example.
As we move along into the 1840 - 1881 period, I will be able to refer to the CD's that I have already acquired and be able to insert far more detailed information.
My best wishes to you and yours.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!,
I'm well aware that quite a few people out there on RootsChat simply don't concentrate all of their efforts on a specific Search Engine, and turn to other sources of information such as their local Family History Centre or LDS Centre. That should not be taken as a swipe at the Search Engines, I'm stating that the simple fact is that nothing is perfect and so there is a need to extend our searches to other sources. However, even when we become aware of an individual specifically mentioned on an FHL File, we still have to tread with care.
When I try to research a specific family, I also try to find out about the location of where the family lived and how they lived. Such research is what I enjoy, and I realise that it would not be everyone's cup of tea.
In my search for details about the Jackson family, it became necessary for me to at least try to learn something about a part of Scotland that I'm not at all familiar with - Ayrshire. On an earlier posting I made mention of several different Parishes for the simple reason that I had discovered that some of my ancestors had been born, married and died there. As an example, I've been taking a look at a Gilbert Jackson who married a Janet Walker at Barr by Girvan, Ayrshire on the 20th November, 1762. That can be confirmed by referring to FHL Films 1041333 and 1041335.
So, where on Earth is Barr by Girvan? Barr is a village in Carrick, South Ayrshire about 6 miles south-east of Girvan on the Ayrshire coast. Although I knew that Gilbert and Janet had married at Barr, I also knew that some of their children had been born at a place called Colmonnel in Ayrshire. It didn't take me long to discover that Colmonnel is situated some 8 miles south of Girvan and approximately 10 miles south-west of Barr.
I thought that I was off to a reasonable start with that data at my fingertips, and then I started to search for details about the children of Gilbert and Janet. Yes, I was certainly able to find a few extracted birth/christening details for various individuals, but at the end of the day, wasn't entirely happy with what I was seeing.
It would appear that the eldest child to this couple was Robert Jackson who was born/christened 25th September, 1763 at Colmonell in Ayrshire. Now, if the Scot's Naming Pattern custom was being adhered to, that would mean that he had been named after his Paternal Grandfather. However, when attempting to work with FamilySearch, it became quite difficult for me to produce a listing that I was satisfied with. Let me show you why:
Robert Jackson b/ch. 25th September, 1763 at Colmonell.
John Jackson b/ch. 18th Febuary, 1767
William Jackson b/ch. 6th June, 1768
Lillyas Jackson b/ch. 13th June, 1770
Jean Jackson b/ch. 6th April, 1773
James Jackson b/ch. 27th July,1775
John Jackson b/ch. 19th June 1777
Benjamin Jackson b/ch. 19th June, 1780
Margaret Jackson b/ch. 17th March, 1782
Robert Jackson b/ch. 15th June, 1784
Even though it appeared that the information seemed "reasonable", I didn't feel happy that in a number of cases only the father of the child was named, i.e. Gilbert Jackson. Now, since quite a few of these individuals will figure in our study of the Jackson family, I wondered if it would be possible to compare our work. In other words, how would the results of a search using S.P. compare with other Search Engines! Now, that doesn't mean that I'm expecting people to spend their time , energy and credits on the exercise if they don't think that it's worthwhile. I will continue with my own plans to utilise the resources that have now become available to me, and that includes a visit to a Centre not too far from my home.
I look forward to hearing your comments and wish you and yours the very best,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!
In many of my postings I make it abundantly clear that it is not my intention to research every part of a family's history and dot every "i" and cross every "t". What I do is furnish quite a reasonable amount of information, and usually give my source of where the information came from. I then request that people researching that family, check what I have written, and advise me of any obvious errors, such as typing errors, so that steps can be taken to correct the narrative.
In Reply #3, dated 18th July, 2008 of this Thread, I specifically stated that ,"It's pretty clear that certain childrens Extracted Birth/Christening Records appear on Batch No: M115832 for the years 1691-1820, but can we believe them?" Now that comment was made to be taken seriously because even Extracted Records are not as fool-proof as some people would have us believe.
Although there is an Extracted Marriage Record on M115852 Dates: 1692-1820 Source Call No: 1041337 that states that Hugh JACKSON married Anna HOOD on the 29th November, 1739, I can point to an Extracted Marriage Record where the name of the bride is given as Anne HUD and the marriage took place on the 27th November, 1739 at Coylton, Ayrshire. Common-sense dictates that both entries can't be correct. You can check this anomaly for yourselves on Batch M115832 Dates: 1723-1820 Source Call No: 1041336.
As we progress with our current search of the Jackson family, I'm pretty sure that we will see many more examples of conflicting information. For anyone to expect me to pick up on all of these anomalies would be plainly ridiculous, and that is why I never hesitate to enrol the assistance of such people as Sancti, Monica, Gadget and Diddymiller. Time and time again we have worked together in harmony for the simple reason that we all enjoy our hobby. I have stated on many occasions that I have the highest regard for these people, and although we may occasionally disagree in some areas, I believe that we do a pretty good job in helping others to the best of our ability.
My very very best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Although there is an Extracted Marriage Record on M115852 Dates: 1692-1820 Source Call No: 1041337 that states that Hugh JACKSON married Anna HOOD on the 29th November, 1739, I can point to an Extracted Marriage Record where the name of the bride is given as Anne HUD and the marriage took place on the 27th November, 1739 at Coylton, Ayrshire. Common-sense dictates that both entries can't be correct. You can check this anomaly for yourselves on Batch M115832 Dates: 1723-1820 Source Call No: 1041336.
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It's absolutely nothing to do with common sense, just the fact that the bride or groom were married or had the banns called in both their home parishes.
I would suggest you read a book on basic Scottish research before making such sweeping statements.
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Flynn,Cox, Slaven-Co Longford
Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
Conway,Degnan,McDonald,Cassidy,Kelly,Fenmore,Ryans,Kilkenny,Murray-Ireland/England/Scotland
Reeves,Fox,Williams-Shropshire/Staffordshire/Scotland
Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland
Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire
And others
Plus all variations in spellings
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tommacgregor
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Hello Tootsiepie,
Thank you for your comments, but you seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I am very well acquainted with the Banns of Marriage procedures as well as Scottish research. Although I now live in Australia, I was originally a laddie from Fife in Scotland.
Of course I realise that the Banns of Marriage would have been called in the two different parishes, and that would account for the difference in dates. All I was pointing out, was that even though we were looking at Extracted Records we could see that the spelling of the Surname differed on the two records, i.e. Hood and Hud.
Is there anything that you would want to add to the rather sparse details that I gave that would be of some benefit to other researchers? It's nice to see that you take an interest in the postings being submitted, and if I can be of some help to you, then, as always, I will do my very best.
My best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hello again, Tootsiepie,
In an effort to illustrate what I meant about Extracted Records, I thought that I would give you another example of what I'm trying to say.
On Batch Number M116124 Dates: 1802-1819 Source Call No: 1041404,
we find an Extracted Marriage Record for Robert Jackson andJanet Lang.
On Batch Number C116124 Dates: 1802-1819 Source Call No: 1041404,
we find and Extracted Birth/Christening Record for Robert and Janet's daughter, Anne Jackson. The thing is, the date for the Extracted Birth/Christening Record is exactly the same as for the Extracted Marriage Record, i.e. 13th November, 1814 at St Quivox & Newton in Ayrshire.
Although it's entirely possible, of course, I merely point it out as a matter of interest for other researchers, such as yourself. In other words it's just a bit of addition information that may be of some interest to you.
I hope that you are now aware of how I try to keep my postings as interesting as possible, rather than just inserting the basic details.
Again, my best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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JAP surely the reason that this site exists is to help posters in their search for family history and not to ridicule them
RootsChat discourages flaming. What is flaming? Flaming is treating others rudely online. Sometimes you might offend someone unintentionally, or they may offend you. Do not attack back, report it to a moderator who will deal with the situation. To contain the heat, the best response usually is no response at all.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,123033.0.html
Tom, I dont think the spelling of names in the early 1800s was very important as a large proportion of the population were illiterate and signed their names with their mark.
With regard to the marriage and baptism being on the same date it may be worth a look at the actual OPR's. The only way of doing this online that I am aware of is through Scotlandspeople.
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tommacgregor
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Hello Sancti,
Very many thanks for your input - it is greatly appreciated. I did actually read, with great interest, Kazza's posting dated 16th November, '04 - and loved it!
Most people who know me would know that I have quite an enquiring mind, and I like to try and add "a bit of warmth" to my postings. Your suggestion that a sighting of OPR's on-line at ScotlandsPeople may be the way to go, is a good one, and I certainly take that on board as I do with any helpful advice.
I also noted another posting, made the other day, by someone who appears to have a very good understanding as to how familysearch.org actually works. That's the kind of information that most of us want to see on RootsChat. I have now acquired quite a lot of valuable information from other "posters", and I would wish to thank them most sincerely. It certainly proves the point that an Old Dog can be taught New Tricks!
My very best wishes to you and yours.
Tom.
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Hello again, Sancti,
As I said in my previous posting, I certainly do take on board sound advice or assistance from other people. Now, I know little about ScotlandsPeople, apart from the fact that it is an excellent site and reasonably priced if one uses it correctly.[i][/i]
Now, this Old Dog is certainly willing to learn, and so, maybe you would be so kind as to step me through the necessary procedure on the following:
George Reekie
Falkland
23rd June, 1821 Aged 75
OPR 428
George Rickie (Note the spelling!)
Dysart, Strathore
22nd April, 1747
Son of James Rickie
OPR 426-2
So, I seem to have a few sparse details that I would assume would help to make a search on ScotlandsPeople relatively simple. Because of the dates and locations, I want to see whether or not I can connect them to George Reekie who married Anne Westwater in October, 1708. I simply don't know what information is required of me and what I should expect. However, if it's going to help me with providing "reasonably accurate information", then, it's certainly worth a try.
Again, very many thanks for your kindness and my best wishes to you and yours.
Tom.
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