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stevenson
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Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« on: Sunday 22 June 08 15:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi all

I have been going through paper work this weekend and noticed lots of rellies start in England/Scotland or Wales go to Ireland then go back again..then back and back again. even to New York..Canada...Australia..India..Switzerland ...France......endless list..even St Kits

ANYONE with an Irish  roots please let me know....even if family lore say you are...as there is always some truth in them sayings.

Anything,,,might not help me..but might be that brick "pushed out " to help someone else.

anything from 2008 backwards.. Grin

Steve
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 June 08 15:54 UTC (UK) »

Steve- what exactly are you looking for here?
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stevenson
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 June 08 16:11 UTC (UK) »

Anyone who is not sure Aghadowey.

Anyone who has """born in Ireland""""  many of us do...that odd rellie in the corner

lots give up when they see that.....we all have missing rellies...I have a few born in "Wales"....I gave up with that one.

There must be some way for us to link these people....everyone looking...might be able to find a common link....someway....however small...we need to try.

Don't you think.

if they were all in one place..like here...we might be able to find their families.

Steve
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 June 08 17:19 UTC (UK) »

The key to finding information on Irish relatives is the location (civil parish if not the actual townland not just a county or 'Ireland') and their religion. Often the clues to an Irish location are in the country the family moved to and it's a matter of checking all possible sources to get any details before you start looking for a family in Ireland
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 June 08 14:44 UTC (UK) »

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The key to finding information on Irish relatives is the location (civil parish if not the actual townland not just a county or 'Ireland') and their religion.

I'm in that boat. For years I was told that Grandfather was born in Ireland. Turned out HE was born in Liverpool but it was HIS father who had been born in Ireland.

So I have CHRISTOPHER McGURN born c1814 Leitrim married to MARY GORMLY born c1820 Roscommon. They are both on the 1841 census so obviously came to Liverpool before the potato famine.

Did find out from Christophers sister (in 1841/1851 census records) marriage in 1851 that their fathers name was PHILIP.

So the question are:
1. How do I find out which Townland/Parish they came from?
2. Were they of different religions?
3. Two different Irish Counties so how did they meet and then marry?

Names Christopher and Philip seem to be Protestant names (Catholics usually have Cornelius and Patrick) plus family folklore is that they came over because of being the black sheep of the family (although this was thought to refer to work and not religion)

Biggest problem I can see is the surname. How would it have been spelt in Ireland. I know from certificates I have of their children plus two entries on census records that the name has been spelt McGarvey, McGorrin, McGwidle just to name three variants.

Still I suppose having this brickwall keeps me out of mischief  Grin

Jean



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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 June 08 15:46 UTC (UK) »

Jean, first of all Co. Leitrim and Co. Roscommon are adjoining so they may not have lived too far from each other in Ireland. Are you sure they actually married in Ireland? It wouldn't hurt to check English marriage registers to see if they came to England separately and married there.

Have seen Christopher and Philip used for Catholic children so those names don't really mean your family weren't Catholic.

Unfortunately English records usually just say 'Ireland' but it would be a good idea to search for everyone in the family in census records just in case there's any clues.
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 June 08 19:27 UTC (UK) »

I would assume you've tried Cyndi. Here's the link anyway. However, I have to say I'm in the same boat with my French, Jelly and Herdman links all to Cork but about the famine time not a lot was recorded.
http://www.cyndislist.com/ireland.htm
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 14:07 UTC (UK) »

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Are you sure they actually married in Ireland? It wouldn't hurt to check English marriage registers to see if they came to England separately and married there

Hadn't thought of that. Will give that a try at the weekend.

Their eldest son Charles on all census records, apart from just one, say's he was born Leitrim. The odd one back in the early days (think it was the '41 census) says Liverpool. If only the 1841 census gave more info.

The family were living in Liverpool and for 'where born' it had the letter I for the parents and Y for Charles. So I did wonder if Liverpool and spent ages checking the GRO index's too many Charles McG*** to send off for.

I had wondered about the religious side as some siblings married catholics whilst  most married into Cof E. It would also folklore 'black sheep of the family' as I think maybe in those days it was not the done thing to marry outside your religion. Little bit like it was in the late 20th century in some parts of Northern Ireland.

Jean



 
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 14:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi

My Paternal Grandparents came from Ireland

My nan came from Ballymena her maiden name was Scullion born 1922 i've got some info on her parents and further back but what has got me stumped is my Paternal Grandfather. 

I don't have anything on him his name was John Michael Connell i've been told he was born in dublin but don't know for sure i can't even find a marriage between him and my nan

He left my nan and the kids when they where young i've also been told that he could have had links to the IRA but again no facts just a rumour he's also meant to have had a drinking problem but again just a rumour Roll Eyes

I've put this side of the family on a back burner for the mo otherwise i would be bald from all the hair pulling  Tongue

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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 15:35 UTC (UK) »

I have similar problems. My Lawler/Lollar/Lawlor family came over to SW Scotland between 1865 and 1870.

My g.g. granny is Julia Lawler b. abt 1854 just 'Ireland'
Her sister is Catherine Lawler b. abt 1848 Kildare, Ireland

Their Father is Michael Lawler, d by 1871 and an ag. lab from Julia's marriage certificate.

However their mother was Catherin Bonn/Burns/Byrne b abt 1821 Carlow, Ireland

Theres also a grandson called Robert, b 1865 Kildare, Ireland.... I suspect but I'm not 100% sure who his mother is...

No parishes, just counties.... and so now I'm stuck.
There seems to be a similar family on igi in Athy, Kildare, but I can't be sure. Then its just a dead end....

I suppose I should be grateful for the census records we do have as without them I definitely would not have got this far...

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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 15:51 UTC (UK) »


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So I have CHRISTOPHER McGURN born c1814 Leitrim married to MARY GORMLY born c1820 Roscommon. They are both on the 1841 census so obviously came to Liverpool before the potato famine.

Did find out from Christophers sister (in 1841/1851 census records) marriage in 1851 that their fathers name was PHILIP.

So the question are:
1. How do I find out which Townland/Parish they came from?
2. Were they of different religions?
3. Two different Irish Counties so how did they meet and then marry?

Names Christopher and Philip seem to be Protestant names (Catholics usually have Cornelius and Patrick) plus family folklore is that they came over because of being the black sheep of the family (although this was thought to refer to work and not religion)

Biggest problem I can see is the surname. How would it have been spelt in Ireland. I know from certificates I have of their children plus two entries on census records that the name has been spelt McGarvey, McGorrin, McGwidle just to name three variants.



Jean, I have a similar problem - a Leitrim/Sligo marriage.  First of all, try this link for surname variations in Leitrim/Roscommon. http://leitrim.brsgenealogy.com/surnames.php
I also have a link showing surname name density per county in this part of Ireland - PM me if you would find this helpful.

Secondly, Leitrim was and still does have a tiny population and there was lots of interaction between there and Roscommon.  Don't give up hope.  Just goes to show that by sharing info, some of these intractable problems become solveable.
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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 16:48 UTC (UK) »

If that odd Irish rellie is giving you the round a round,get it off you chest,put them here.......

And hopefully someone might find a link for some of us...it might be by some strange chance......the same one as someone else Grin


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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 17:56 UTC (UK) »

Bradley/Devlin/Mcbride/Murphy Smiley

I had a lucky break. My mum's whole family went to the US in 1923 and I found the  passenger list that gave my Grandfather's place of birth as Buncrana which is in Donegal. So for ages I thought that was where he was from......but not really  Undecided I knew who his parents were from his death certificate. So I did a search on IGI. I couldn't find his christening but then I really didn't expect to as he was Catholic. However, I did find a sibling. I ordered the sibling's birth cert and he was born in Meenamullaghan, Donegal. Meenamullaghan is about 4 or 5 miles from Buncrana as the crow flies.. Now I'm stuck again  Grin

Bonner/Toner/McGowan/McElwee  Smiley

Just by chance I discovered a tree on Ancestry that had my dad's brother on it... Shocked So I contacted the tree owner and lo and behold it was a cousin that I didn't know existed. She knew about me though. Anyway she had her older sister contact me and her sister gave me the names of my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother...she like me didn't know too much about our family. She did know that our GGM was from Kirkston and that our GGF was from a townland farther north. So armed with that information I went googling to see where this place was  Cheesy I found a book about the Letterkenny area that someone had published years ago. It had census records and some other info that was quite interesting and I did see my GGM's family there in Kirkston...the next generation. Then I found a website dedicated to Donegal genealogy that is maintained by Linet. She was researching the area I was interested in and I found my great grandparents through some baptismal records that she had posted. They lived in Gortnacorrib, Donegal and had three children. Bit by bit. Then out of the blue I got contacted by a loverly gentleman who was researching the clergy in the Letterkenny area. He had seen a post of mine and recognized the names I was looking for and he faxed me a three page obituary from a Derry newspaper of one of my relatives. It was'nt competely legible but another RCer kindly emailed the same obit so that I could enlarge it. My relative was a local parish priest but the funeral was attended by well over 500 people from all over Ireland. Not only did it list all the attendees and parishioners there but it listed all the immediate family members attending the funeral and their relationship to the deceased and better yet where they were from in Ireland. What a goldmine. There was my GGM with her children and all the cousins and uncles and aunts. Now I'm stuck again  Grin

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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 June 08 18:08 UTC (UK) »

Hello Steve,

Are you still keeping your hard copy records on rolls of wallpaper or have you entered the technological age and commenced keeping records on CDs? If it's the former you'd better head to the wallpaper shop as there are loads of people with Irish roots dating from 2008 backwards.

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Re: Anyone with Irish roots any time frame
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 12:13 UTC (UK) »

Me Too.
GG Grandfather Samuel Reid all  documents after he arrived in Scotland state born in Ireland no county. Every Census from1851 onwards. Marriage Certificate,Death Certificate all just Ireland.
Parents John Reid and Jane McNeice.
I have got absolutely nowhere. I even used a professional  searcher, who came up with a marriage certificate for John and Jane but it wasn't the right John and Jane but she sent the certificate to me anyway as I had paid for it.
SO, Samuel Reid is on the back burner for now.

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