Ruskie
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I find it easier to undertand when I draw it up on paper into a rough tree with names, dates & places of birth etc. It helps to see it all in front of you, and you can see what makes sense, what doesn't, where the gaps are etc.
It can do you head in  .
Be brave.  And good luck!
PS> Remember, you will need to verify these facts, (or almost all of them) via certificates where posssible - as it can be easy to get off track.
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Hi again BM,
I've been fishing around for your Griffiths in the census too . I think you already have some of this but will post it anyway:
1901
14 Manor Place
Bramborough VIllage
Cheshire
RG13/3384/45/13
George Griffiths head mar 42 candle (grease) maker b Cheshire H Bebington
Jessie 42 b Oxton
Ether 19 cotton (grease) winder b H Bebington
Edith Ma 17 milliner b Bromborough
Alfred Ernest 12
Clement Stanley 10
George Harold 8
Dorothy Maude 6
1891
15 South View
Bromborough
RG12/2873/79/34 &35
George Griffiths head m candle packer b Higher Bebington
Jessie 32 b Oxton
Ethel 9 Higher Bebington
Edith M ? Bromborough
Alfred E 2
Clement S 8 mo
1881
School Lane
Higher Bebington
RG11/3570/84/21
George Gfiffiths head mar 22 candle ?() packer Higher Bebington
Jessie wife mar 23
Marriage Sept 1880
Geroge Griffiths = Jessie Olive
Wirral 8a 617
1871
9 Midland St Birkenhead
RG10/3748/63/10
Henry Olive head mar 36 bootmaker b Woodchurch Cheshire
Ellen Olive wife 37 b Woodchurch
Jessie 12 b Oxton
Emily 9 Oxton
Ellen Scott Mances(?) granddaur 2 b Birkenhead
1871
Higher Bebington
RG10/3741/82/5
John Griffiths head mar 36 labourer Th.....ton Cheshire (wife must be elsewhere)
Thomas son 14 bHigher Bebington
George 12
Elizabeth A 10
Mary Jane 7
1861
Village
Higher Bebington
RG9/2637/91/33
John Griffiths head mar 26 ag lab Thornton Cheshire
Ann wife 26 Flintshire C.....gs(?) (Will need 2nd opinion on this placename)
Thomas 4 B Bebington
George 2
Having problems finding the Olive family in other census .... will have another look around.
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Ruskie
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No wonder I couldn't find them (note surname):
1881
5 Mill Cottages
Mill Road
Woodchurch
RG11/3569/119/22
Henry Ollive head mar 65 bootmaker b Woodchurch
Ellen wife 65 Cheshire Prenton
Emily Ollive (?) daur mar 20 b Prenton
Charles Smith visitor mar 20 general labourer Bebington
William visitor 7 months Bebington
1881
Sloreon (?) Road
higher Bebington
RG11/3570/78/9
John Griffiths head wid 45 candle maker b Cheshire Thurstaton
Mary J Griffiths daur unmar 17 Higher Bebington
found 'em (and some more kids ) Transcribed as Olliver, but image says Ollive
1861
looks like Queens Arms Hotell [sic]
Woodchurch/Oxton
Henry Ollive head mar 44 cordwainer master
Ellen wife
Samuel son 16 blacksmiths apprentice
William son 15 gardeners app
John son 12 scholar
Elizabeth dur 10
Mary A daur 8
Jessie daur 3
(all b Woodchurch except William which says he's b Birkenhead)
Note: Henry's age differs - probably 1871 census is wrong - I will check image again ....
yes, I wrote Henry and Ellens ages as 36 and 37 in the 1871 census - (they are transcribed as that too), but image looks like it may be 56 and 57 which makes sense.
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1851
Prenton
HO107/2174/7/6
Henry Ollive head mar 34 cordwainer master
Ellen 33
Margaret daur 8
Samuel 6
William 4
John 2
Elizabeth 6 mo
(all born Woodchurch)
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Ruskie
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Ummm, I wonder ....
1841
Prenton
HO107/127/4/26
Thomas Burkey 65 ag lab
Margaret 60
Ellen Cartwright 20
Margaret Cartwright 15
Elizabeth Cartwright 3
Henry Ollive 20 shoe m
(all born in county)
So Henry is living with an Ellen in 1841 . I wonder if that is THE Ellen who Henry marries ....
Just had a look on freebmd for a possible marriage between 1841 and 1851 - no Ellen Cartwright marriage to a Henry Ollive on freebmd .... can't find a marriage for Henry Ollive to any Ellen ....
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Ruskie
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Looks like Henry Ollive died in 1901 aged 85 ...
and Ellen died in 1898 aged 82 ...
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Here's John in 1891:
Village Road
Hr Bebington
RG12/2874/40/16
John Griffiths head m(?) 56 labourer (candles) b Thurstaton
Richard Jones son in law 27 mason B'head
Mary Jane Jones daur m 27 Hr Bebington
John S Griffiths grandson 8
Wm Jones 7mo
(says John is married not widr but no wife - possibly error)
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There are 2 submitted records on the IGI.
One gives a birth year of 1815 which sounds like a guess, the other gives a christening date of 19 Jan 1816 in Birkenhead for Henry Ollive. Father is Samuel and mother is Elizabeth Holt. Henry names (what looks like his eldest) son Samuel so this looks promising.
Will need verification of course .
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This is an interesting extracted marriage from the IGI:
Samuel Ollive = ELizabeth Holt
11 Sept 1809
All Saints
Lewes
Sussex
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have found some siblings for Henry Ollive b 1816 with same parents chr in Birkenhead. Records also submitted so may not be accurate, however they have given precise dates of christening so may be correct.
Thomas 5 Nov 1818
Ebeneezer 18 Nov 1821
Edwin 7 Jan 1825
William 30 Jan 1827
[Note: Though pretty sure Henry Ollive corwainer/bootmaker is yours, these IGI records will need checking to see if they are the correct Ollive family.]
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Um, there is an Ebenezer Olive around about Sussex in a couple of the censuses, so I'm not convinced that Samuel and Elizabeth Holt are your Henry's parents - perhaps there are a couple of Ollive families, one in Sussex and one in Cheshire, and someone has assumed they are one and the same.
Think I should reign it in a bit here ....
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To get back to the facts:
To find Jessie's mother's name you will need her birth certificate which you can buy for £7 online here:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
using these details:
Births Sept 1858
Ollive Jessie
district: Wirral
volume: 8s
page:
343
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You are a star.
Thank you.
I spent last night trying to get my records in order and just found out how much more there is to do!!!!
Very excited by it all though.
Husband reckons we need to find you and take you out for dinner for all this!
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Hi Jenn
I just wanted to share with you yet another really spooky coincidence....
My husband's cousin is getting married in Brisbane in August which is why we are coming over for the grand family reunion, both his family and mine. The bride was born in Rockhampton (where my mother was born) and some of the cousins live in Gladstone which is another link.
In the process of organising hotels etc, we have just discovered that the wedding is to be held in Mount Coot-tha botanical gardens. This grave where my great-grandparents are buried, is just yards away by the looks of it  ........you know where I will be if it all gets a bit boring in the wedding!
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the process of organising hotels etc, we have just discovered that the wedding is to be held in Mount Coot-tha botanical gardens. This grave where my great-grandparents are buried, is just yards away by the looks of it ........you know where I will be if it all gets a bit boring in the wedding
Having just come back from Brisbane We went up Mt. Cootha (as most tourists do) past the gardens which are very large and the Toowong cemetery covers a lot of acres so I would think you would miss an awfull lot of the reception if you start wandering
regards Jenn
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Research names or areas: I live in Thuringowa/Townsville Queensland, Australia and I am researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,ADAMSON from NSW, BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR from Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, SHOEBRIDGE, BRINDLE from Kent, EDSALL from Cornwall, BRYAN from Staffordshire,MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland, VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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