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The Newfster
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Hi Sharon - yeah forget Scoulton ..... wishful thinking for a mistran..... the other poss is Carleton - Depwade district, as there are no James born Forehoe District (covers Colton) ... but there is an Edward .... 1843.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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avm228
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she's Bell - and I've already managed to trace her back to her father, and am working on him as well!
Have you already traced a marriage between James Bush and Isabella? I don't easily see it, but obviously a marriage certificate should give you information about James' father.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Sharon S-W
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no i haven't traced marriage of James Bush and isabella yet - and that brings me on to a general question for all you experts - what is the easiest way to trace a marriage? I found the first one (James Jr to Edith Agnes Bell) by looking in the marriages reg for marriages in name of Bush around the right time and in the right place - then looking uner the name of Bell (which I knew from birth certificate) to see if one matched. Is this the best way or is too long-winded? Is there a different method? I'd love to be able to check out a name of a person getting married, and find the name of the person they're marrying at the same time, but is that possible anywhere?
thanks! 
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I'd love to be able to check out a name of a person getting married, and find the name of the person they're marrying at the same time, but is that possible anywhere? thanks!
Yes, there are a number of places to look this up but for the 19th and early 20th centuries (1837 onwards) the easiest way is to search on FreeBMD
www.freebmd.org.uk
and when you have a page reference for one spouse, click on the page number to find other brides and bridegrooms listed on the same page.
NB FreeBMD is based upon a volunteer transcription exercise, and is not yet complete. There are coverage charts on the site to show where they've got to.
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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When you said James' mother's maiden name was Bell - did you mean that James' wife's maiden name was Bell? (Edith Agnes Bell)
Or was James' mother Isabella a Bell too?
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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The Newfster
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bit confused .... so BELL was James jnrs mum's maiden name or not ? (Given you mention sourcing it from a Birth Cert)
Otherwise it looks like you mean it was his Missus maiden name ?
The 1876 Cert for James Edward - Mum was Isabella who ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs HAMMOND 1825, Elmdon, Essex DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Oooh yes, I have become generationally confused here!
The James Edward Bush i am starting with (my great-grandfather) was born 1876.
1899 He married Edith Agnes Bell. So yes, that was his WIFE's maiden name. Ahem.
I know for certain his father was also James Bush.
I have a birth certificate that I'm pretty sure is correct and it says his mother was Isabella Bush, formerly Potter ( which seems to corroborate the isabella in the census - assuming my birth cert is correct!! Only discrepancy is in terms of father's occupation - on James jr's marriage cert, father's occupation is Carman. On this berth cert, father's occupation is Laborer. I just hope it is the right person.
Does that all make sense?
Even I have to keep stopping to check who on earth I'm talking about, and it's MY family for heaven's sake....all very mind-stretching.....
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Excellent - I was hoping she'd be a Potter
Marriage
James BUSH
Isabella POTTER
Dec 1864 St George's Southwark 1d 222
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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I wouldn't worry about carman/labourer/general labourer - I've definitely seen carmen described more generally as labourers before.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Sharon S-W
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Thankyou! I will check out that marriage! I can't believe how helpful this website is...
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Looks like 'Ibeach' or 'Heach' with a wobble.
I now think the birthplace given for Isabella in 1881 is a phonetic attempt at High Beech; there's an Isabella Potter b abt 1840 High Beech, Essex, who is in Surrey in 1851: HO107/1604/168/32
...and in Hampshire in 1861: RG9/698/126/7
She's a daughter of a widowed Maria Potter b abt 1808 (per 1851) or 1806 (per 1861) in Wellington, Shropshire.
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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This seems to be the Potter family in 1841:
Mott St, Hamlet of Sewardston, Waltham Abbey, Essex
Maria Potter 30 [no occupation listed]
Eliza do 9
Henrietta do 7
Sophia do 5
Isabella do 2
(none born in county other than Isabella)
HO107/341 bk 9 folio 6 p7
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Birth:
Isabella POTTER Dec 1839 Edmonton 3 113
(Edmonton is the same registration district in which the family is enumerated in 1841).
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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