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tommacgregor
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Hi Gadget,
Whoever said that an Old Dog can't learn New Tricks? I'm learning fast with your great assistance - I THINK! 
I had a very close look at your posting about John Armstrong, our Coachman from Stoneykirk in Wigtownshire and his family on the 1851 Census, i.e. District 510. Ed. 1 Page 5.[i][/i] Now I usually tend to forget to dot my "i's" and cross my "t's", but I certainly wouldn't want to make life difficult for other researchers, so here goes!
I went onto the IGI and searched around for Stoneykirk in Wigtownshire. Inserted the appropriate names and came up with what I wanted to see. I then did a Parent/Children Search on familysearch to see whether or not I could get EXTACTED RECORDS. Bingo! This looks quite promising.
IGI Batch Number C.118982.
Andrew ARMSTRONG christened 27th July, 1816 at Stoneykirk, Wigtown
John ARMSTRONG christened 29th May, 1819 at Stoneykirk, Wigtown
William ARMSTRONG christened 7th February, 1826 at Stoneykirk, Wigtown.
All of the above birth/christenings are stated to be EXTRACTED births or christenings, which should make us feel a bit happier. The important thing was I was being told that their parents were Richard ARMSTRONG and his wife, Jane THORBURN.
Next step was to find out when and where Richard and Jane got married. I managed to see an EXTRACTED Marriage Record on Batch Number. M118982that states that Richard ARMSTRONG married Jane THORBURN on the 11th January, 1816 at Stoneykirk, Wigtown.
Now, I would think that there's very little doubt that Andrew ARMSTRONG was the eldest son! If the "naming patterns" were being adhered to, then Andrew would, in all probability be named after his Paternal Grandfather.
I would hope that all these details will be of some benefit to other researchers who are searching for their ARMSTRONG ancestors. In the meantime, I'm pencilling bits and pieces of data onto a blank Ancestral Chart where the FERNS - ARMSTRONG connection begins. It looks as if I will have to return to the AYRSHIRE Board to write about the FERNS - JACKSON connection.
As you can see, I'm trying hard to abide by our Moderator's rules whilst not trying to make life too difficult for other people.
Once again, very many thanks for your invaluable assistance, it really is greatly appreciated.
Tom.
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Gadget
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HI Tom
You say:
So, I'm back to square one again, asking myself who the blue blazes were the wives of John Jackson Ferns?
The second one, we know was Susan Armstrong, daughter of John Armstrong, coachman and Susan Flitting/ (variations) who he married in 1874. This is the family that I've traced back to 1841.
The first one could have been one of these (IGI extracted):
1872 Mary McLean in Hamilton, Lanarkshire
1868 Catherine Young in Galston, Ayr
1868 Elizabeth Mullholland in Calton, Glasgow
1867 Annie Neilson, Kilbirnie, Ayr
1866 Susan Mccooll, Carluke, Lanark
1865 Mary Douds, Paisley
1862 Christina Rice, Edinburgh
1861 Marion Rankin, Rutherglen
1856 Mary Noyes, Lochgilphead, Argyll
1856 Elizabeth Jones in Hutchesontown, Glasgow
I see that John was 39 at his marriage so any of these might be correct. It might be worth checking on the 1881 census to see if there are any John Ferns married to any of these names.
Re your query about which board to post on. If you think that the Ayrshire Board is appropriate for following up John, then it would be best to post any new queries there, linking to this thread by including its url on the new posting.
The link to this thread is:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,311600.0.html
Regards
Gadget
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tommacgregor
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Hello Gadget,
Again, that's a terrific effort on your part. As I said, I think I'm still OK as long as I'm writing about people from Wigtown, but I take your point about the Ayrshire connections and will do what you suggest.
Quite a while ago, Sancti and I were looking at the possibility that the John T Ferns, aged 24 at the time of the 1861 Census could be our man. He is said to be an Able Seaman, born Glasgow - Vessels Royal Navy. Sancti noted the letter "T" could have been mis-transcribed from the letter "J". He also mentioned the possibility that John married an Elizabeth McDonald in ENGLAND. Pretty interesting stuff, eh?
Going to watch a bit of TV now, but before I do, I just want to say how much I appreciate your help and the spirit in which such help is given.
Tom.
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Gadget
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If it's any help, the 1874 marriage cert states:
John Ferns, coast guardsman, widower, aged 39, Adelade Place, Gourock.
His parents are given as Peter Fearns (note spelling), block printer and Agnes, m.s. Jackson, deceased.
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I'm wondering if this is the family in 1841:
Saltmarket, Glasgow
644/1 102/1 19
Catherine Murphy, 60, b. Ireland
Peter Fearns, 36, Printer, journeyman
Ann, 27
John, 10
Mary Wood, 30, b. Ireland
the Fearns are all b. Lanarkshire
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This is clearly the family in 1881:
Mains Street, Inverkip, Renfrew
567/1 ED 4 Page 19
John J Ferns, 45, coast guard, b. Glasgow
Susan, 36, coast guard's wife, b. Stranraer
John, 5,coast guard's son, b.Gourock
Peter, 3, coast guard's son, b. Lamlash, Bute
Susan, 1, b. Kildonan, Bute
Peter Ferns, father, widowed, formerly Block Printer, b. Glasgow
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Gadget
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John's parents and his siblings on the 1861:
Row of Cottages, Mearns, Renfrewshire
district 571 ED 2 Page 30
Peter Ferns, 62, Block Printer - Printfield, b. Glasgow
Agnes, 55, b. Glasgow
Ann, 18, printfield worker, b. Glasgow
Charles, 13, printfield worker, b. Glasgow
James, 11, scholar, b. Cathcart, Renfrew
Peter, 8, scholar b.Glasgow, Lanaarkshire
Not found either Peter or John in 1871. I'll have a look later. i'm off to watch the cricket 
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On the 1851. Indexed as Faine!
New Cathcart, Renfrew
560 ED 2 page 26
Peter Ferns, 40, Block Printer journeyman, b. Glasgow
Agnes, 39, dyer - journeyman, b. Ayrshire  so Agnes Jackson was from Ayrshire
John, 18, bleacher - journeyman, b. Glasgow
Margret, 9, b. Denny, Stirling
Ann, 8, b. Glasgow
Charles, 4, b. Glasgow
James, 1, b. Cathcart
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Agnes obviously dies between 1861 and 1874 (John's marriage shows her as deceased).
The SP site has her death in Mearns, Renfrewshire in 1872, aged 66.
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Well, it's nice to see that I got the right census records, sancti
Did you find a marriage?
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tommacgregor
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Hi!
What I see from your postings, Gadget:
1851 Census at Cathcart, Renfrewshire.
560 ED2 Page: 26
Peter Ferns 40 Block Printer Journeyman born Glasgow.
Agnes 39 Dyer Journeyman born Ayrshire
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1861 Census
571 ED 2 Page: 30
Peter Ferns 62 (Gee, that's quite a difference from previous Census!) Block Printer, Printfield. born Glasgow.
Agnes 55 born Glasgow.
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1881 Census
567/1 ED 4 Page: 19
Peter Ferns, father, widower, aged 82, formerly Block Printer born Glasgow.
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It just goes to show how crucial information can change, eh? If the 1851 Census details about Agnes Ferns M.S. Jackson is correct about her place of birth, i.e. Ayrshire, then I, personally, would feel a wee bit happier.
When I look at the 01/01/1872 Ferns, Agnes (Statutory Deaths 571/00 0054),I see the weird spelling of the Surname, can't really make out the writing underneath her name, although I think it says Married to Peter Fearns .... (and I've only recently had new reading glasses! Her age at death is given as 66 which, if my mental arithmetic is still Ok, makes her birthdate about 1806. Her Mum and Dad are shown as James Jackson and Margaret Jackson, M.S. Millar. That is in perfect agreement with what I have and allows me to say that Agnes Jackson was christened 15th November, 1807 at St Quivox and Newton in Ayrshire. Her brother, Hugh Jackson was christened 19th July, 1801 at Sorn in Ayrshire and his sister, Mary Jackson, was christened 24th March, 1803 at Sorn in Ayrshire. These are all EXTRACTED records.
So, there I think we have quite a comfortable bit of data to work from. Again, very many thanks, and I must say how much I'm enjoying working along with you. great stuff!
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi,
I think the information about my coachman ancestor get's better by the day, Gadget and I even prefer the name Susanna to that of just plain Susan. However, I'm just an old-fashioned Old Buzzard at heart
The lady who married my Great-Grandfather, i.e. Susan Armstrong, certainly appears to have originated from around Drummore near Kirkmaiden in Wigtownshire. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. With that in mind, I had a look at quite a few Armstrong's from around that area. In order for other researchers to follow me, I have remembered to give my source.
John Armstrong, who was married to Susan Monteith had the following children, (I'm not doing a full list, only a mention of some!
Batch C.118904.
John Armstrong Extracted christ. record 19th July, 1847 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
Jane Stroyan Armstrong Extracted christ. record 25th Sept, 1850 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
Susan Armstrong Extracted christ. record 27th April, 1852 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
Batch C 118901.
Agnes Armstrong Extracted birth record 9th February, 1855 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
I took another step and found the extracted marriage record on Batch M.118764. Marriage took place on 30th April, 1847 at Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright.
I hope that the above information will help other people who are researching the ARMSTRONG family.
My very best wishes.
Tom.
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Hi,
Continuing with that look at Batch No. C.118904. I'm not really sure whether I'm seeing an error, or if I'm seeing local families marrying the brothers/sisters of a neighbouring family.
James Armstrong married to Jean Byres.
An Extracted birth/christening record for their son, James Armstrong, who was christened on 28th February, 1821 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
However, on that same Batch, i.e. C.118904 I see:
Robert Armstrong married to ................ Byres.
There is an Extracted birth/christening record for their son, Robert Armstrong, who was christened on 10th January, 1823 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
Tom.
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