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tommacgregor
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Hi!
Batch: C.118904.
This tells us that a James ARMSTRONG was married to a Mary REID.
There is an Extracted birth/christening record for their daughter, Mary McKay ARMSTRONG, who was christened on 11th December, 1826 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
I now turn to Batch C.118902.
Here we see a Thomas ARMSTRONG and a Mary Ann BROWN. We can also see Extracted christenings for 27th August, 1811 and 22nd November, 1813, both at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
On the same Batch No. C.118902.
Here we see James ARMSTRONG and Elizabeth MEAN. I note an Extracted christening for 26th November, 1815 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
Batch C.118902.
Here, I see an Extracted christening dated 19th July, 1814 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown. I then was able to find an EXTRACTED MARRIAGE RECORD on Batch No. M118904 for the marriage of John ARMSTRONG and Jane (or Jean) ROOM, who married in October, 1811 at Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Wigtown.
We are now seeing various members of the ARMSTRONG's living in close proximity to each other at a certain period in time. I believe that other researchers of this family will be able to use this information as a stepping stone to further more detailed investigation.
Tom
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tommacgregor
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Hi,
I'm now going to turn my attention to LESWALT, which is situated about 2 miles outside STRANRAER, Wigtown. I'm looking at a period in time between the beginning and the middle of the 1800's. Here we find members of the ARMSTRONG family, and surely there is a need to further explore the relationships between the following individuals.
Batch No. C.118912.
William ARMSTRONG and Grissel Biggam are shown as the parents of a William ARMSTRONG.
There is an Extracted christening record for William Junior, it is for 7th January, 1819. at Leswalt, near Stranraer, Wigtown.
Once again, I hope that the information will be useful to other researchers of the ARMSTRONG family.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!
I never got round to thanking you for the lovely photograph of Portpatrick, Gadget. I do apologise for that, because it was greatly appreciated. My wife, when she saw it, said that it reminded her of when I used to drive her up to Scotland from Birmingham and travel around the Anstruther area of Fife.
I was having a bit of a poke around the 1881 Census and came across a bit of detail that appears to be around the brother of John Jackson FERNS. I thought that you and other researchers may like to have the details for your records.
Dwelling: 1 Fountainwell Road.
Census Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire.
Source: FHL Film 0203650 GRO Ref. Vol. 644-6
Enum. Dist. 65. Page 2.
James FERNS Head M. Age 31 Occ. Loco Engineer. born in Glasgow, Lan'k
Ellen " Wife M. Age 31 born in Glasgow, Lan'k
James FERNS Son Age 5 born in Glasgow, Lan'k
Elizabeth FERNS Daur Age 3 born in Glasgow, Lan'k
John FERNS Son Age 9 mths born in Glasgow, Lan'k
James Thompson Board Age 23 born in Glasgow, Lan'k
The age of 31 set against James FERNS, Senior, fits in quite well with the birth of James FERNS, the son of Peter FERNS, the old calico block printer, and his wife Agnes, Maiden Surname, Jackson.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!
Naturally enough, I was aware that my G.G.Grandfather, John Jackson FERNS, was a Coast Guard, and that he had lived in Kirkmaiden in Wigtownshire, as well as Inverkip in Renfrewshire. However, time and time again, because of the weird and wonderful way in which the Surname appears on various documents, I run into all sorts of problems.
As I was trawling through various Census documents, I came across the one taken at 83 Shore Street, Kirkmaiden in Wigtownshire, in 1871, that confirms that the Head of that household was indeed a Seaman Coast Guard. Further, the age stated on the Census was about 38, which would have made the man's birthdate round about 1833. I had a look at the age of the oldest child, Elizabeth, and saw that it was 8 at the time of the Census, making her birthdate around 1863/64. Surely, there is nothing wrong in me surmising that the marriage of the Head of the household could possibly have taken place around 1862. I hope that I'm not going to get crucifed for daring to surmise! 
I will do a bit more looking around and get back to you and let you know how I got on.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi,
I mentioned the 1871 Census taken at 83 Shore Street, Kirkmaiden in Wigtownshire and mentioned the eldest child, Elizabeth, aged about 8. On further examination, I find that she was born at Bridgeton in Glasgow.
I then had a look at the nephew of the Head of the household, the 9 year-old Charles CRAMSIE and found that he too was born at Bridgeton. It may be well worthwhile for other researchers of these families to spend a bit of time researching these connections.
Tom.
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sancti
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Tom, what were the names of all the people in that household?
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sancti
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No I cant see his 1st marriage, which made me think it may have been in England
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Gadget
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It could even have been Ireland 
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Gadget
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I'm trying to get to grips with the relationships here with the three different threads going.
Are both Tom and you decended from John Ferns?
Gadget
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sancti
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Tom is from this John Ferns and I am from an unconnected Ferns line
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Gadget
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John Ferns first wife, Elizabeth MacDonald's parents were George MacDonald and Agnes, maiden surname Macdougall. She would have been born circa 1830,
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tommacgregor
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Hello Gadget,
We seem to be getting down to "the nitty gritty". You say that my Great Grandfather's first wife's parents were George MacDonald and Agnes MacDougall, and their daughter Elizabeth was born c. 1830-1833. Because it's pre-1855, I would have some difficulty in finding details of that marriage and birth due to my meagre resources. So, if my Great Grandfather was in the Royal Navy about 1861 and he was about 24 years of age, it would appear that he married during his naval service - or have I got that wrong?
Let me clarify the situation. I didn't register to go onto RootsChat until Friday, 7th December, 2007. I believe that Sancti was on the site quite a bit earlier than that. Probably last June or July.
Best wishes.
Tom.
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Gadget
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Hi Tom
The thread that sancti started was last summer. If you click on the link that he put up yesterday on this thread or in my reply #36 today, it will take you to his thread.
It has all the details of the John Fern/Elizabeth searches and John's parents that I looked for previously. Hence my joke about my 'at least getting the information correct' on this thread
I'd not looked at his thread before he put up the link. I'd just checked your posting on the Jackson family.
I'm trying to look at Armstrong births in Wigtownshire 1810 to 1820 at the moment and will get back to you.
Regards
Gadget
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.I have been reading the ones on here and find the info is different to what you gave me.So can i leave on here,it might be better if you ask for information on one person at a time. i am now all mixed up 
Hope you daughter has a safe journey long way to go