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tommacgregor
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #60 on: Monday 30 June 08 00:48 UTC (UK) »



HI Gadget,

Many thanks for the site http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann
I appreciate little things like that, and I do believe that the site will be full of interest.

As a matter of interest, did you ever get a reply to the marriage details of my Great-Grandfather, John Jackson FERNS to Elizabeth McDonald? I think you requested that on a posting to "Sancti"? Because the marriage date would probably have been post-1855, I would have thought that S.P. would have flashed that info up at the speed of light - or am I being too hopeful? I certainly couldn't find a damned thing on familysearch.

On that same subject, I think it was you who stated that Elizabeth McDonald's (MacDonald's?) parents were John McDonald (MacDonald) and Janet McGill. Again, I hit that proverbial brick wall when I tried to find their marriage. Maybe I might stumble across something over in the Emerald Isle.

Again, many thanks for your kindness and patience.

Tom.
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #61 on: Monday 30 June 08 06:37 UTC (UK) »


Hi!

I thought that I would give you all a bit of a progress report on how I'm doing with the Irish Connection. We know just a bit about the marriage of John Armstrong to Susan Fleeting (Fletton/Flettin) on 15th November, 1836 at Inch in Wigtown as well as the fact that John's wife, was Susan Fleeting, (let me please dispense with the spelling alternatives for a while!), who was the daughter of a Dolly Black who married a Fleeting.

I have been scouring www.ulsterancestry.com as well as http://home.iprimus.com.au/s_steffenson/Census_Fil...

I'm certainly coming up with quite a lot of information, but simply can't make the necessary connection to our John Armstrong and his wife, Susan. Never mind, the work will not be wasted, because other researchers out there who have an interest in these families, may be receiving just the information that they need, and that really would make my day.

What I've been examining is a partial Census for the 1851 Dallinderry Parish in County Antrim. I remembered to give you the website above, so that should help  Grin

1851 Ballinderry Parish, County Antrim
Aghanliss Townland.


William Fleeton    Head   M   30   Occ. Linen Weaver  born in Co Antrim.
Sarah Fleeton      Wife    M   33   Occ. Linen Winder born in Co Dow.   
Daniel Fleeton      Son    Un    7                                  born in Co. Antrim
Frances Fleeton  Dau    Un    5                                   born in Co. Antrim.
William Fleeton    Son    Un   4                                   born in Co. Antrim.
Ralph Fleeton      Son    Un    2                                   born in Co. Antrim.

Another batch of information:

Partial 1851 Census. Ballinderry Parish, Co. Antrim.
Aghanliss Townland.


Elizabeth Fleeton    Head  Widow  Age 70  Winding Yarn  Born in Co. Antrim.
Robert Fleeton        Son     Unmarr   "   50  Labourer         Born in Co. Antrim.
Mary Fleeton          Dau     Unmarr   "   36  None               Born in Co. Antrim.
John Fleeton          Son      Unmarr   "  26   Linen weaver  Born in Co. Antrim.
Thomas Fleeton      Son      Unmarr   "  24   None              Born in Co. Antrim.

In my next posting, I will give you some data relating to the ARMSTRONG and McGILL (or MAGILL) families. Remember that Elizabeth McDonald's parents were said to be John McDonald and Janet McGILL?

My very best wishes as always.


Tom. 
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #62 on: Monday 30 June 08 06:56 UTC (UK) »



Hi,

I have long been "in the dark" as to the parents and grand-parents of Susan Fleeting, the wife of John Armstrong. I did, however, note the rather strange Maiden Surname of Susan's mother - "Dolly" Black. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the name "Dolly" be a nickname for Dorothy?

Well, during my look through the partial 1851 Census, I managed to find this:

Partial 1851 Census.  Ballinderry Parish, Co. Antrim.
Derrykillultagh Townland.


Dorothy FLEETING    Head   Unm   Age 65  Occ. Knitting stockings b. Antrim

Another interesting entry in that partial 1851 Census may have some bearing on the McGill (Magill?) family that John McDonald, the father of Elizabeth McDonald married into.

1851 partial Census. Ballinderry Parish, Co. Antrim.
Lurganteneil Townland.


Patrick MAGILL    Head   M   Age 66   Occ. Farmer  born in Co. Antrim.
Alice MACGILL      Wife     M  Age 66       "  NONE    born in Co. Down.
Charlotte MACGILL      Unm Age 20       "  NONE    born in Co. Antrim.

Ann McNIECE      Lodger  Un Age 70      "  NONE    born in Ldy.

Again, I see no direct connection[i][/i], but we're certainly seeing the names of families that we recognise from "over the water" in Scotland.

Best wishes as always,


Tom.
 
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #63 on: Monday 30 June 08 08:16 UTC (UK) »



HI Gadget,

Many thanks for the site http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann
I appreciate little things like that, and I do believe that the site will be full of interest.

As a matter of interest, did you ever get a reply to the marriage details of my Great-Grandfather, John Jackson FERNS to Elizabeth McDonald? I think you requested that on a posting to "Sancti"? Because the marriage date would probably have been post-1855, I would have thought that S.P. would have flashed that info up at the speed of light - or am I being too hopeful? I certainly couldn't find a damned thing on familysearch.

On that same subject, I think it was you who stated that Elizabeth McDonald's (MacDonald's?) parents were John McDonald (MacDonald) and Janet McGill. Again, I hit that proverbial brick wall when I tried to find their marriage. Maybe I might stumble across something over in the Emerald Isle.

Again, many thanks for your kindness and patience.

Tom.


Hello Tom

Sancti didn't find a marriage and neither did I. It might have been in England or it could have been common law. I did also suggested to Sancti that it could have been in Ireland.

I'm getting quite busy at the moment with my 'day job' - even pensioners work nowadays  Grin - so wont be able to do much helping for a while.

Regards

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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #64 on: Monday 30 June 08 08:47 UTC (UK) »

Tom
I couldn't sleep last night so i went through the limited versions of the census on ancestry search.Mainly because i get the feeling something is not quiet right somewhere Wink
You know the 1861 census that you mentioned John T Ferns B.abt 1837 Lanark Glasgow, Res Royal Navy Are you sure this is your John because that census is the English one not the one for Scotland.If it is your John then
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #65 on: Monday 30 June 08 08:53 UTC (UK) »

This is what Monica found last year:



Added: Possibility for John in the English 1861 Census - the only one showing with a Scottish birth place, so happens also showing Glasgow:

John T Ferns, 24, able seaman, b. Glasgow - Vessels Royal Navy




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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #66 on: Monday 30 June 08 22:14 UTC (UK) »



Hi Gadget,

It's a bit of a puzzle isn't it? I bet you enjoy your wee "day job" though, and get to communicate with other people. That's one of the things that I really miss since being rendered totally disabled as long ago as 1990. A lttle break will probably do you a power of good, and you certainly deserve one after the superb work that you've done.

My very best wishes as always.


Tom.
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #67 on: Monday 30 June 08 22:30 UTC (UK) »

Hi Celia,

The message from Gadget, i.e. Reply #65, seems to say it all. I wasn't even on RootsChat in those days when Monica posted that snippet of information. I didn't enrol until December, 2007.

Seems rather "coincidental" about this John Ferns, but maybe that is the answer - just a mere coincidence. Maybe I should simply go back over his lifetime and take a good look at his early beginnings. I think it was simply great that you have all been able to disclose names such as George MacDonald and Agnes MacDougall as the parents of Elizabeth MacDonald. Hang on, have I got that wrong ? Didn't I see another posting that spoke of a Janet McGill? I certainly had nothing whatsoever on the first marriage of John Ferns.

There is now quite a lot of information on the Wigtown and Ireland Boards, and perhaps as more information comes to light, there may be an answer.

Again, very many thanks for your kindness and willingness to assist - it really is greatly appreciated, believe me.

Tom.
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #68 on: Monday 30 June 08 22:37 UTC (UK) »

John Ferns first wife, Elizabeth MacDonald's parents were George MacDonald and Agnes, maiden surname Macdougall. She would have been born circa 1830,


Gadget

This from her death cert, Tom.

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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #69 on: Monday 30 June 08 23:04 UTC (UK) »

Quite clearly McDougall


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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #70 on: Tuesday 01 July 08 02:36 UTC (UK) »



Hi Gadget,

Absolutely terrific, and greatly appreciated. I will now be spending quite a bit of time on looking up an enormous amount of data.

I thought that it may help if I did a bit of a summary about the FERNS (Fearns) side of the family, but certainly don't want to try to do too much too soon. I have to tell you that it's an absolute nightmare, but, if I continue to show as much about the sources as I do about the family members, it should be quite a topic!

I have quite a large amount of data, but I will spend a lot of time on ensuring that I give the necessary source details. Since my Great-Great-Grandfather, Peter Ferns and his wife Agnes (Ann) Jackson both died in Renfrewshire, I thought I would place the details of the thread on the Renfrew Board.

Again, that was most kind of you to confirm the details on the Certificate for me, and will save me quite a bit of work.

My very best wishes, as always.


Tom.
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Re: Armstrong of Wigtownshire
« Reply #71 on: Friday 17 July 09 18:32 UTC (UK) »

Dear all

Just found this post and think that I may have a connection here.

I am a descendant of Hugh Black and Dorothy Fleming or Fleeting whose illegitimate daughter Sarah Fleming or Fleeting or Black was born c1810
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Ireland: Arlour, Arlow, Hammond, Hannah, Shanks, Templeton

Scotland: Allan, Black, Carlyle, Corkingdale, Fleeting, Grant, Hammond, Hannah, Kirkwood, Lothian, McFarlane, Main, Neilson, Shanks, Sneddon, Stirling, Wood

Sussex/Hampshire/Surrey/London/Kent: Beagley, Douch, Earl, King, Ladyman, Ley, Pattenden, Peskett, Standen, Stonestreet, Windiate
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