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Boongie Pam
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Hi All,
Does anyone have an interest in Greens in Lochmaben and Applegarth & Sibbaldie?
I have some images of "Green" graves from Lochmaben if anyone is interested.
My key family are Robert Green (b ~1785) and Henrietta Ryecroft (b ~1787) who lived in Lochmaben and appear on the 1841 census. They had 11 children from 1800s to 1828.
I know there are other researchers on this family as I have found old posts on Rootsweb but never made contact. I have quite a bit of material and always willing to share.
Cheers,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Hi Pam, I have just found this site and registered. My Grandmother was born a Green and the Green family came from Lochmaben, Dumfrieshire! I have a William Green who had 2 "natural" children with a Margaret Burgess. Catherine Green in 1809 and James Green in 1813. We think that your Robert Green who married Henrietta Rycroft was a brother of William Green. We have no birthdate for William and we think that his father and Grandfather were both James Green. There is also a William Green who marries a Margaret Bell sometime before 1829 and has a son John Green. We do not know if this is our William Green or another William Green born around 1809 who was a son of Robert Green and Henrietta Ryecroft. Any information would be most helpful. I have information from our William to present that I can share with you as well. I would be most interested in observing Green grave images. Our Greens did originally come from Applegarth and were in Lochmaben by 1800. Kind regards, James Galbraith from Canada.
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Hiya,
We HAVE to be related!!! Not sure how yet!
I'll get my scanner hooked up asap but here are the MI found on my visit...
1. In memory of Elizabeth JARDINE wife of George GREEN, who died at Bellshield, 16th Feb 1872 aged 62 years. Also Catherine their daughter who died 8th June 1895 aged 42 years. Also the above George GREEN, who died at Edinburgh 15th Feb 1903 agd 86 years. Also Margaret CREIGHTON, his sister in law, who died at Parkfoots 19th Feb 1887 aged 72 years.
2. In Memory of Robert GREEN who died at 19 Castle St Lochmaben 22nd January 1899 aged 79 years.
3. In Loving Memory of Philip son of Robert and Mary Jane GREEN who died at Marjoriebanks 18th Oct 1910 aged 13 months. Also Pte Kenneth GREEN 2nd Gordon Highlanders their second son who died of wounds received at Festubert 17th May 1915 aged 19 years interred in Mervell Cemetery, France. He died that we may live. Also Mary Jane TAIT beloved wife of above Robert GREEN who died 24th May 1922 aged 48 years. Also the above Robert GREEN who died 7th Feb 1931, aged 62 years. Also wee May grand daughter of the above who died at 9 Croft Terrace, Lochmaben, 4th June 1937 aged 2 1/2 years.
4. In Loving memory of William GREEN who died at Dumfries 7th March 1919 aged 56. Also Sergt David James GREEN Gordon Highlanders, his son died of wounds at Etaples, France, 10th Sept 1917 aged 24 years. Also Sergt John Neil GREEN, Blackwatch, his son killed in action France 25th April 1918 aged 27. Also Charles GREEN his son who died in infancy. Also Francis Ostend GREEN his grandson who died at Lochmaben aged 4 1/2 months. Also Wilhelmina Burnett WALLACE his wife who died at 19 Princes Street Lochmaben 6th Sept 1929 aged 69 years. Also David James GREEN R.A.F. killed in action 17th Sept 1942 aged 25 years. Also Agnes Hunter GREEN daughter of above died at Lochmaben 17th Sept 1959.
5. In Loving memory of Matthew GREEN died at Mill Cottage 31st Oct 1920 aged 63 years. Also his beloved wife Elizabeth McKIE died 6th Jan 1965 aged 92 years. Also Alexander son of above died 3rd Feb 1928 aged 15 years. Also Dennis great grandson of above died sep 1946. Also their daughter Martha McKie GREEN "Mattie" died 6th June 1993 aged 84 years.
<If Matthew is one of yours then this will be of interest http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_039/39_403_405.pdf >
6. In loving memory of John DONALDSON dearly loved husband of Annie GREEN died 12th Aug 1989 aged 85 years also the above Annie GREEN died 31st July 1996 aged 92 years.
7. In loving memory of James Green who died at Thorniethwaite 30th November 1891 age 55 years Also William his son who died 25th September 1879 age 18 months Also Agnes Jane daughter who died 18th November 1888 age 4 years James Wilson grandson who died 11th February 1890 age 2 years Also Mary Telfer widow who die at Parkfoot 26th November 1920 age 79 years and David their son beloved husband of Ellen Sword who died 15th July 1940 age 75 years.
I'll post my GREEN descendancy chart in another post as I'm running out of space here.
Cheers,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Boongie Pam
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Hi James,
I hope this posts properly! This is what I have so far but I am planning a trip to get more info tomorrow which may patch a few more of the families together - buying these images got a bit pricey!
I've seen your CAtherine and James on the IGI and somehow thought they were related to JAmes Green and Catherine Galloway who had children in both Lochmaben and Applegarth. If the naming convention holds the parents of my Robert Green snr should be James and Mary but I haven't found a trace yet. I'll post again tomorrow when I have more info put together. I also have 26 BMD certs which I'm happy to share with you - they relate to the people below who have a definite date against their name post 1854.
Descendants of Robert Green
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1-Robert Green b. Abt 1786, d. Bef 1861, Lochmaben
+Henrietta Ryecroft b. Abt 1787, d. Bef 1851, Lochmaben
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|--2-James Green b. 27 Mar 1805, Applegarth, Dumfries
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|--2-William Green b. 29 Mar 1807, Lochmaben, d. 27 Oct 1888, Lochmaben
| +Elizabeth Grierson b. 19 Nov 1811, Lochmaben, d. 25 Dec 1875, Lochmaben
| |--3-Robert Green b. 3 Jan 1837, Lochmaben
| |--3-Isabella Green b. 14 May 1838, Lochmaben
| |--3-Henrietta Green b. 5 Apr 1840, Lochmaben
| |--3-Anne Green b. 3 Apr 1842, Lochmaben
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| | |--4-Margaret Green b. 2 May 1869, Lochmaben
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| |--3-Matthew Green b. 12 Nov 1843, Lochmaben, d. 2 Feb 1856, Lochmaben
| |--3-Mary Green b. 9 Dec 1845, Lochmaben
| |--3-John Green b. 17 Jan 1847, Lochmaben, d. 3 Dec 1857, Lochmaben
| |--3-Janet Green b. 1 Dec 1850, Lochmaben, d. 4 Oct 1880, Lockerbie
| | +John McCallum b. Abt 1842, Dryfsedale, Dumfries
| | |--4-Major McCallum b. Abt 1879, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Janet G McCallum b. Abt 1880, Dryfsedale, Dumfries
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| |--3-Mary Green b. 1 Aug 1852, Lochmaben
| |--3-Elizabeth Green b. 3 Sep 1854, Lochmaben
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|--2-Margaret Green b. 14 May 1811, Applegarth, Dumfries
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|--2-Mary Green b. 19 Dec 1813, Applegarth, Dumfries, d. 29 Apr 1895, Lochmaben
| +George Graham b. Abt 1813, Lochmaben, Dumfries
| |--3-Henrietta Graham b. Abt 1849, Lochmaben, Dumfries
| |--3-Mary J Graham b. Abt 1860, Lochmaben, Dumfries
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|--2-Henry Green b. 25 Feb 1816
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|--2-Robert Green b. 16 Aug 1818, Lochmaben, d. 22 Jan 1899, Lochmaben
| +Janet Sneddon
| +Sarah Brown
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|--2-George Green b. 4 Feb 1821
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|--2-John Green b. 28 Sep 1823, Lochmaben, d. 29 Nov 1889, Lochmaben
| +Agnes Hunter b. Abt 1818, Lochmaben, d. 25 Nov 1904, Lochmaben
| |--3-James Green b. Abt 1846, d. After 1904
| |--3-Henrietta Green b. Abt 1848, d. 24 Apr 1855, Lochmaben
| |--3-Robert Green b. Abt 1852, Lochmaben, d. 25 Mar 1933, Dalbeattie
| | +John Ann Robinson b. Abt 1849 Cumberland, d. 26 Jun 1888, Colvend, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-John Green b. 11 Jun 1869, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Margaret Green b. 13 Nov 1871, Moffat, d. 7 Sep 1917, Annan, Dumfrieshire
| | | +Thomas Thomson b. 20 Apr 1870, Edinburgh, d. After 1917
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| | |--4-Johann Green b. 18 Apr 1874, Leadhills, Lanark
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| | |--4-Rachel Green b. 17 Nov 1878, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Jane Green b. 9 Mar 1881, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-Elizabeth Green b. 10 Oct 1882, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
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| | +Isabella Brown b. Abt 1857, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-Mary Anne Green b. 24 Jul 1889, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
| | |--4-Janet S Green b. Abt 1891, Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright
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| |--3-John Green b. Abt 1857, Lochmaben
| |--3-Henrietta Ryecroft Green b. 1859
| |--3-William Green b. Abt 1862
| | +Wilhelmina Burnett Wallace b. Abt 1860, d. 6 Sep 1929, Lochmaben
| | |--4-Charles Green
| | |--4-Sergeant John Neil Green b. Abt 1891, d. 25 Apr 1918, France
| | |--4-Sergeant David James Green b. Abt 1893, d. 10 Sep 1917, Etaples, France
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| |--3-Agnes Hunter Green b. Abt 1864, Lochmaben, d. 14 Jun 1867, Lochmaben
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| +Sarah Saunders d. 13 Nov 1922, Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia
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|--2-Henrietta Green b. 3 Jul 1831, Lochmaben, d. 4 Jun 1906, Lochmaben
+George Coltart b. Abt 1826, Lochmaben
|--3-George Coltart b. Abt 1872, Lochmaben
|--3-Maggie Coltart b. Abt 1869, Lochmaben
|--3-Mathew Coltart b. Abt 1865, Lochmaben
|--3-Robert Coltart b. Abt 1856, Lochmaben
|--3-William Coltart b. Abt 1875, Lochmaben
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Thank you very much Pam!! My father actually copied the parish records for Lochmaben about 15 years ago. So he may have some more information for you. He should also be able to send you an ancestral chart. We think that the William Green that had 2 illegitimate children with Margaret Burgess had as his parents James Green and Catherine Galloway. We think that this James' father was James and that his Grandfather was William. Our William Green also has another illegitimate child with a Mary Baird who was still living in 1851 in Kirkmahoe with John Jardine and her daughter Elizabeth Green who married John Jardine. William Green and Margaret Burgess had a James Green born 1813 Lochmaben. He married Agnes Hamilton in 1845 in Ontario, Canada. Our Green's came to Canada in 1832 from Lochmaben. They had a son James who married Ellen Kennedy in 1879. They had a son Robert James Green who married Eleanor Forfar in 1912. They had a daughter Elinora Aickin Green who married my Grandfather Samuel Clements Galbraith who was born in 1909 and is still living.
From your chart it appears that the William Green who married Elizabeth Grierson did not have the child John Green in 1829 with Margaret Bell. Looking forward to finding out more information. Kind regards, James.
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Wow it is quite a tangled web isn't it.
After todays labours, which I'm still trying to digest - I can add another family to the lot above - James Green (son of Agnes Hunter & John Green) married Elizabeth Tweedie and I have a pile of kids along with that.
I also found a James Green who died at 84 on the 6/7/1872 his address is High St Lochmaben. His parent's are listed as James Green and Unknown Galloway (presumably Catherine). He was the widow of Elizabeth Hay and his death was registered by George Green - I've failled to note the relation
ship but I think it is his son.
I'll be hitting the census again to try and make sense of this - no pun intended
All the best,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Thank you Pam! It would make sense that there would be a James Green existing as both of James' grandfathers are believed to be James'. I think that Catherine Galloway's parents are James Galloway and Fergusia Montgomery. James Green and Catherine Galloway's last child was named Montgomery Green (a girl) in 1800 in Lochmaben. Have you been able to find all of the Greens in Lochmaben in 1841? I don't know if my William Green born abt 1785 was still alive or possibly the James Green who married Catherine Galloway?
I am going to steer off in a completely different direction. I notice that you apparently have access to the Dumfries censuses. If you are able to could you look up a John Rodger who married Helen Hewat or Welsh on July 27 1840 in Dumfries. They had daughters Robina and Janet born between 1841 and 1844 in Dumfries, Dumfries. The family would likely be in Dumfries, Dumfries when the 1841 census was taken. My dad is going to be so pleased with all of the new information. He has more information on the Greens from Applegarth and Lochmaben but is out of town for a few days. Looking forward to hearing from you again! James
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Hi James,
I had seen the IGI Greens with Montgomery et al I hadn't worked out all the connections though. I have quite a lot but not all the 1841 GREENs I am due to revisit them when I get a chance to go the library, probably next week.
When I originally started this research I followed the wrong Robert Green - I thought Robert the son of William Green and Elizabeth Grierson was my direct. So I've a lot on Grierson info from 1841.
I'll post after my library visit.
With regard to Dumfries it's a bit of a toughy - it isn't indexed and there are I think 27 enumeration districts - it's a very long film - I'm still trying to find some of my lot. Do you have any idea where in Dumfries they maybe?
Cheers,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Thank you Pam! The marriage and the children were born in Dumfries, Dumfries. James.
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Are they on the 1851 census?
http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp
It may help to place them in a smaller area than as Dumfries was massive compared to the other towns and it takes hours to go through it.
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Hi Pam! My William Green who had issue with at least 2 different woman: Margaret Burgess and Mary Baird appears to be dead by 1851. Mary Baird was found in the 1851 website which you posted, living in the village of Duncow, Kirkmahoe. She was listed as widowed and was living with her daughter Elizabeth Green and Elizabeth's husband John Jardine. The James Green born in 1813 was in Canada by 1832. I would be interested in any of the siblings of William and William Green himself.
As for the Rodger family I have no more clues other than the marriage and children being born in the parish of Dumfries, Dumfrieshire. Kind regards, James.
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Hi Pam. Just to clear things up regarding 1841 census, so there is no confusion. My Greens should be in Lochmaben and John and Helen Rodger should be in the parish of Dumfries, Dumfrieshire. James 
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Hi again,
Sorry for the delay - it's budget time at work so I've been snowed. I still have to type up my 1841 Lochmaben Greens - when it's done I will post it in txt format for you.
I've covered the first 5 enumeration districts for Dumfries and no Rodger's - only another 20 odd districts to do lol!
All the best,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Thank you very much for all of your hard work!! This is truly a great website. Kind regards, James
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Hiya,
Haven't managed to get back to the Dumfries film BUT have got hold of an index for 1841, what a boon.
Righty 
Dumfries 1841
Enum 15 Page 1
St Michael's St 70 (not sure what that 70 means?)
John Roger 30 Cotton Weaver born Dumfriesshire
Helen Roger 25 born England
William Roger 3
Robina Roger 1
So no "d" in the surname but this has to be them, Robina isn't such a common name.
I also picked up the OPR burials for Lochmaben - you probably already have this but there is only one Green in the 1766-1770, 1796-1819 coverage.
Catherine Galloway wife of James Green buried Applegarth residence Gotterbie 26 Nov 1801
As or 1841 Greens
In house of Janet Jardine (65), Jean Irving (40) & Sarah Hoffan (10)
1 East Street Margaret Green 3 Y
In house of Gavin Wood (35) & Margaret Wood (45)
2 East Street John Green 12 Y
2 East Street Martha Green 15 Y
My lot...
3 East Street
Robert Green 55 Labourer Y
Henrietta Green 54 Y
James Green 35 Labourer Y
Henry Green 20 Stocking maker Y
John Green 15 Stocking maker Y
Henrietta Green 10 Y
Note on top of page: Parish of Tinwald part of Royalty of the Burgh - I checked and they are also included on the Tynwald returns
5 Hunterhouse
William Green 30 Stocking maker Y
Elizabeth Green 25 Y
Robert Green 4 Y
Isabella Green 3 Y
Henrietta Green 1 Y
George Green 19 Stocking maker Y
in house of Mary Baird (35)
7 Broomhill Park Betty Green 12 Y
in house of William Richardson
9 Greenhill Catherine Green 25 Y
10 Smallholm
Janet Anderson 55 Y
George Green 24 Ag Lab Y
Elizabeth Jardine 25 Y
James Green 4 Y
Robert Green 1 Y
14 Hightae Village Grace Green 6 Y
m Gotterby outhouse
David Green 12 farm servant Y
Robert Green 20 farm servant Y
William Green 15 farm servant Y
n Riggheads outhouse
James Green 18 farm servant Y
o West St
Elizabeth Hay Green 49 Y
James Green 50 lab. Y
Mary Green 12 Y
These last 5 households are from an index and I want to double check them as I don't think Smallholm is a complete household.
Cheers,
Pam
PS - should have said the numbers on the addresses are mine to define entries NOT from the film.
PPS - Also should of said, there were no GREEN families on the Applegarth/Sibbaldie census for 1841. There may have been one young male farm servant but can't find my notes - I'm in paper hell at the mo 
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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