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lighthouse
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Thank you so much for the research Pam!
It has been quite helpful. We did not know that John Rodger's wife was born in England!
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lighthouse
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Pam, thank you so much for all of your time and research!!! We did not know that John Rodger's wife was born in England and we didn't know that there was a son William. Thank you also for the 1841 census information for the Green surname. I believe that Catherine Galloway actually died in Lockerbie. It doesn't look like her husband, James Green was alive in 1841. Our connection from William Green who had children with Margaret Burgess and Mary Baird does not appear to be alive in 1841. I guess there is always a possibility that they moved to another parish! Thanks again, James.
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Boongie Pam
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Since a good 70% of the people in my tree are in Dumfriesshire I'm often looking in other parishes so if I see any GREENs I'll keep a note and post them here as and when I find them - just in case they're your long losts.
There seems to be some connection to Urr and Colvend as well - it maybe coincidence but a few Lochmaben GREENs seem to turn up there in 1881. Mine do.
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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millie
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Hi Pam,
do you know if the Janet Anderson, mentioned in the 1851 census, as mother-in-law of George Green, was the wife of William Anderson.
Regards Millie.
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Boongie Pam
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Hiya millie,
I'm not quite sure? She is on the 1841 census as well but there is no other Anderson there so couldn't confirm (I'm about to amend my posting as I've found the mum as well).
The mum of this family at Smallholm, wife of Geoge is Elizabeth Jardine.
Now the enumerator on the 1841 census put some of the women down with their maiden names rather than their married names hence me losing them in the index.
So (hope I'm making sense!) I think Janet Anderson is her maiden name. Which would mean she was married to a Jardine.
There is an Elizabeth Jardine born 10 SEP 1809 in Lochmaben to a Janet Anderson and John Jardine. I suspect that that would ties this family up?
Cheers,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Boongie Pam
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Hi lighthouse,
Thought I'd post a note to let you know that I've expanded my "Green Tree" somewhat I nkow have 72 in my tree.
I've put it online so if you want to check it out it's here...
http://fallon.rootschat.net/names7.html#green
Still haven't got passed my Robert Green & Henrietta Ryecroft. I would be very interested in your older Greens.
All the best,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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Boongie Pam
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Hi Lighthouse,
I hope you catch this post. I see you have a Lockerbie connection with Catherine Galloway possibly dying there.
I was recently in touch with someone through Genesreunited who was also connected to Lockerby.
They had connections to Applegarth as do I and it made me remember your Greens.
Your family appear in teh Applegarth records - I've typed them up here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=118694.new#new
Have you got any further on your line?
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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kojak
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Hi Pam,
Jannet Anderson was indeed the mother of Elizabeth Jardine who married George Green and lived in a household at Smallholm Village (it was once a village of over 25 houses, but now is no more than a couple of farms and ruins). How do I know you may ask. Well, I live about 1/2 a mile away.
The George Green/Elizabeth Jardine listed above are my 3 x Great Grandparents. The mother-in law Jannet Anderson never married, but a John Jardine is known to be Elizabeth Jardine's father. Hence the reason Elizabeth took her father's name rather than Anderson.
Regards,
Kojak 
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Green, Gibson, Ross, Telfer, Jardine, Hay, Kennedy, Dickson, in Dumfriesshire esp Lochmaben and Kirkcudbright
Thom (Banffshire and Renfrewshire), Cormack & McBain in Ross and Cromerty and Banffshire/Aberdeenshire
McClelland, MacNeill, MacCully, Carson, Northern Ireland
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kojak
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Hi Pam/Lighthouse - and any other Green hunter,
Just thought I'd share my find....
James Green husband to Catherine Galloway (who were my 5 x Great Grandparents) was alive in 1841! He was living with his son, George (and his wife) at Howcleuch in the Parish of St Mungo.
Old James was listed as being 85 years old.
Happy hunting folks.
The future is bright, the future is Green...
Kojak.
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Green, Gibson, Ross, Telfer, Jardine, Hay, Kennedy, Dickson, in Dumfriesshire esp Lochmaben and Kirkcudbright
Thom (Banffshire and Renfrewshire), Cormack & McBain in Ross and Cromerty and Banffshire/Aberdeenshire
McClelland, MacNeill, MacCully, Carson, Northern Ireland
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Boongie Pam
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Next stop MI then!
I was in St Mungos kirkyard about 2 years ago at dusk, beautiful place. I am getting more and more convinced that your James and my Robert are brothers or 1st cousins. Just because of the Milnbank/Applegarth connections.
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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kojak
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Pam,
Me 2. From memory, St Mungo's old cemetery is very secluded and surrounded by a woodland and accessed along a very narrow lane. If I get there before you (and find a grave - i'll let you know).
Kojak
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Green, Gibson, Ross, Telfer, Jardine, Hay, Kennedy, Dickson, in Dumfriesshire esp Lochmaben and Kirkcudbright
Thom (Banffshire and Renfrewshire), Cormack & McBain in Ross and Cromerty and Banffshire/Aberdeenshire
McClelland, MacNeill, MacCully, Carson, Northern Ireland
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Boongie Pam
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Hi Fiona,
Always great to find a relative, even distant!
My notes for James are:
Occupation:
Labourer as per marriage cert 1867
Labourer on birth cert of daughter Agnes 1870
Labourer on birth cert of daughter Phillis 1872
Labourer on death cert of son James 1874
Lead Smelter on birth cert of son James 1875
General Labourer on birth cert of son Joseph 1878
Stonedyker as per census 1881
Labourer as per daughter Elizabeth's death 1884
Drainer as per son Robert's marriage cert 1889
Freestone quarryman as per census 1901
Quarryman on his death cert 1915
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 5
1867: Married at Lochmaben
1875: Informant for son James' birth at Leadhills
1881:Census West St Lochmaben 35 Stonedyker
1884: Informant on daughter Elizabeth's death
1889: Informant on his father's death at Queen St Lochmaben
1901: Census Marjoribanks, Lochmaben 54
1904: Informant on his mother's death at Marjoribanks
1915: Died in his dwelling house Marjoribanks - found dead.
And Elizabeth...
Occupation:
Female servant as per marriage cert 1867
1867: Married at Lochmaben
1870: Informant for daughter Agnes' birth
1872: Informant for daughter Phyllis' birth
1874: Informant for son James' death
1878: Informant for son Joseph's birth
1881: Census West St Lochmaben 38
1901: Census Marjoribanks, Lochmaben 57
The kids I have are:
Robert c1869
Agnes 1870
Phyllis 1872
James 1874
JAmes 1875
Joseph 1878
Elizabeth 1883
JAmes father = John Green 28/9/1823 - 29/11/1889 bronchitis
Occupation:
Labourer from daughter Henrietta's death 1855
Stocking maker from birth cert of son John 1857
Labourer from birth cert of daughter Henrietta 1859
Ag Lab as per census 1861
Labourer from birth cert of son William 1862
Carter as per son James' marriage cert 1867
Carter as per daughter Agnes' death 1867
Ag Lab as per census 1871
Labourer as per son Charles' marriage cert 1873
General Labourer from daughter Henrietta's marriage 1877
Lab in Granite quarries as per census 1881
Labourer as per son William's marriage 1885
Labourer as per death cert 1889
Labourer (dec) as per wife's death cert 1904
Stocking maker (dec) from death cert of son James 1915
General Labourer (dec) from son Robert's death cert 1933
1841: Census East St Lochmaben 15 Stocking maker
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 27
1861: Census East St Lochmaben 37 Ag Lab
1871: Census Marjoribanks Lochmaben 47 Ag Lab
1857: Informant for son John's birth East St Lochmaben
1859: Informant for daughter Henrietta's birth East St Lochmaben
1862: Informant for son William's birth East St Lochmaben
1864: Informant for daughter Agnes' birth East St Lochmaben
1867: Informant on daughter Agnes' death at East St Lochmaben
1881: Census Summerbank St Urr 53 Lab in Granite quarries
1889: Died at Queen St Lochmaben Informant = James his son
His mother Agnes Hunter...
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 30
1855: Informant at the death of her daughter Henrietta at Boglehole
1861: Census East St Lochmaben 41
1871: Census Marjoribanks Lochmaben 50
1881: Census Summerbank St Urr 60
1901: Census Marjoribanks, Lochmaben 81(widow of mason's labourer)
1904: Death at Marjoribanks Lochmaben informant = James Green son
I don't have confirmed info on Agnes' parentage but John is the son of Robert Green and Henrietta Ryecroft my brickwalls of 4 years!
Robert Green 1786 - bef 1861
Occupation:
Labourer from census 1841
Carrier (dec) from son William's death cert 1888
Labourer (dec) from son John's death cert 1889
Labourer (dec) from son Henry's death cert 1890
Carrier (dec) from daughter Mary's death cert 1895
Labourer (dec) from son Robert's death cert 1899
Labourer (dec) from daughter Henrietta's death 1906
1841: Census East St Lochmaben 55 Lab
1851: Census East St Lochmaben 63
Henrietta Ryecroft c1787 - bef 1851
1841: Census East St Lochmaben 54
Hope this helps,
Pam
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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fiona g
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Hi Pam
Thank you so much for taking the time to type out all the additional Green info, much appreciated.
Fiona
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No problem. It's c&p'd from my notes so no typing required
It would usually be on my website but it's down at the mo
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Dumfrieshire: Fallen, Fallon, Carruthers, Scott, Farish, Aitchison, Green, Ryecroft, Thomson, Stewart
Midlothian: Linn/d, Aitken, Martin
North Wales: Robins(on), Hughes, Parry, Jones
Cumberland: Lowther, Young, Steward, Miller
Somerset: Palmer, Cork, Greedy, Clothier
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