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Please find birth of Sarah COCKRAM
« on: Wednesday 25 June 08 13:47 BST (UK) »
My gt gt grandmother Sarah Cockram was born in Stockleigh Pomeroy (according to 1861 census--she married and lived in Berks.). I'm trying to find which Sarah Cockram she was. According to 1841 only one SC was born in Stockleigh Pomeroy and she is too old at 35. However, IGI says she that SC was christened in 1824. Her parents James and Charity were married in 1811. All her siblings appear much younger. Is it possible the 1841 census is wrong and she was really 15? Orig. document definitely says 35. Could someone find her birth date for me?
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:12 BST (UK) »
Can you clarify - do you mean 1841 - as that census does not give place of birth.
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:15 BST (UK) »
... nor relationships.

Maybe she was sister, and their daughter Sarah was in service somewhere.

Oh and ... Welcome to RootsChat  Smiley
 

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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:37 BST (UK) »
Here is the 1841 that is referred to:

Stockleigh Pomeroy

James Cockrum 55 farmer
Charity  55
Sarah 35
William 20 shoemaker
Mary 12
Elizabeth 20
John 10                all bn in cy

by the erratic listing of the ages, I would guess that they are not all children of James n Charity

Here is Willam in 1851, still in SP
HO107 1807 296 17

William Ridge Cockram 33 shoemaker, parish clerk and school master bn SP
Sarah wife 41
Ch. Ann 7 bn SP
Thomas Wood servant, boot and shoe journeyman

William was a man of many talents wasnt he? I bet Ch. Ann is really Charity!

there are other Cockrums in SP in 1851 - bear with me and I will type them up. May be red herrings or may help piece the family together.

If yuo are interested that is....
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:39 BST (UK) »
 Roll Eyes so whats her married name in 1861, or is it part of our mission to ascertain it   Cheesy


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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:49 BST (UK) »
So have you got this marriage Cert - does it support everything else - names, age etc ? ?

Marriages Dec 1857   
 
Cockram  Sarah    Marylebone  1a 642    to  Smith  Thomas     
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:50 BST (UK) »
So, from that 1861 census, she's 32 - ie born c1829 .....
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:51 BST (UK) »
Dont know, Newfster, though I think it must be known as askwendy refers to 1861 census.

I am just amusing myself hunting around for this family in general.

The other Cockram's still in SP in 1851 are not particularly helpful, though I am sure are all related in somehow. It seems a close knit community. here they are:

Higher Westwood, SP

Robert Yendall farmer 43 acres empl 1 pab
John Westcott serv Farm lab
Thos Hosgood house servant
Richard Cockram cousin 56 mar carpenter and miller
Mary Cockram sister Mar 45 dressmaker bn SP
James Cockram nephew 11 bn SP

more Yendalls next door if they prove to be related.


This looks like a possible for Sarah in 1851:

HO107 1887 93 38

h/H of john Heugill, Wesleyan minister and wife and small children in Crediton
Sarah Cockram 23 house servant bn Crediton
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:56 BST (UK) »
I think I have a better 1851 match at St Marylebone, Liz  Smiley

HO107/1491 127 4

(she's age 26)

The IGI christening is a perfect match so I think we'll just have to admit that the other Sarah is someone else - sister or siter in law or whatever  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 15:59 BST (UK) »
This seems to confirm some facts ..

1851 - HO107/1491; Folio: 127; Page: 4 - Marylebone
19,Carlisle Street
 
Sarah Cockram 26  Head Unmarried Dressmaker born Devonshire, Stockleigh Pomeroy
Mary Ann Cockman 21  Sister do
Charity Cockman [sic] 66  WID Mother do

Mary A M Salter 26  Visitor Devonshire
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 16:01 BST (UK) »
I wuz on the phone !

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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 16:02 BST (UK) »
What makes you sad about being on the phone, Newf?  Kiss

(I think the 1851 image actually says Cockram if you inspect  closely)
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 16:03 BST (UK) »
Well done team! Thats much better.

The IGI has a whole host of them chr in SP with parents James and Charity:

Faith Charity 19 Mar 1812
Anthony 7 Feb 1814
James 24 Feb 1816
William Rudge 8 Jan 1818
Grace Ridge 24 Nov 1819
Elizabeth 23 Dec 1821
Sarah 7 Mar 1824
Mary Anne 30 Aug 1829
John Huish 29 Jan 1832

... and we see Mary Ann with Sarah in 1851. William is still in SP in 1851, married to another Sarah

all we need now is Sarah in 1841? assuming the 35 yr old is not a mistake and should be 15

...which is where this all started! Just took the rest of us a while to catch up
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
HAMMOND – 1825, Elmdon, Essex
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Please find birth of Sarah Cockram
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 25 June 08 16:18 BST (UK) »
Here is the James (chr 1816) in 1851

HO107 1887 291 6

shobroke

James Cockram 45 Farmer of 199 acres empl 2 labs bn SP
Harriet wife 44 bn Devon Cadbury
Faith Charity 1 dtr bn Shobrook
several servants, farm labs and lodgers
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