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Squiggly writing help please
« on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:03 UTC (UK) »
Hello,
This is an extract from the 1851 census, sorry original copy is quite poor so this is the best I can do.  The surname of this family is Gage (but looks like the enumerator messed it up a bit). Can figure out most of it but ... (apologies for large image)

what I can't figure out is:

Mary ? (what is her initial) and where is her birthplace?
There appears to be a number 3 written right next to her initial, or is it part of it?  Roll Eyes


Thanks in advance
jonathan

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Re: Squiggly writing help please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:09 UTC (UK) »
If it helps, here are better shots of the 'initial' and 'birthplace' problems.

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Re: Squiggly writing help please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:20 UTC (UK) »
Well, Mary could just be Mary B - if you look at the B in Bloomsbury with the curly bits afront but just separated Huh

Still looking at the other ................

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:22 UTC (UK) »

Looks like Mary J B, was she a MaryJane with a middle name?

Don't know about the place of birth though - give us a clue  Smiley where would you expect her to be born and where in the Country was the census taken?
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:28 UTC (UK) »
Suey, I wasn't going to give clues or my ideas so as not to influence anyone  Wink but ..
It's the 1851 census in St Luke, London.

Not sure exactly about the marriage, but there is a likely one for a plain Mary or a Mary Ann - this is unconfirmed though.

On her birthplace, I initially thought City ? Mx but also thought Clerkenwell.

The two Mary's I have in mind - one born St Giles, Cripplegate and the other St Ann Blackfriars.

Any help?

Jonathan  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:31 UTC (UK) »
The best that I can come up with is:

City So.....  M (for Mdx)

Don't know Huh

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:37 UTC (UK) »

Does look like City something -
just had a quick look at Reg Dists on Genuki for London and Middlesex, closest is City of London, but I can't make that second word look like London  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:39 UTC (UK) »
My guess would be 'Mary B' born 'Clerkenwell'.

The first part of the place of birth looked as if it could be 'City' but I think that is due to a stray line from the entry below.

I may well be wrong but I don't think 'City'  - as in 'London' - would have been used in the 1851 Census.

Good luck!

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Re: Squiggly writing help please
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 January 05 15:41 UTC (UK) »
hi there,

I think the squiggle is the letter B, if you have a look at the birthplaces the first one is definitely a B.

the places, i am not sure of but the third one looks like chiwigan, i think.

don't laugh if I have the place in the wrong county, I live down under so have to look at it upside down, and it's too hard to turn the computer upside down. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 22 January 05 16:05 UTC (UK) »
City South, Middx.  Huh
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 22 January 05 16:42 UTC (UK) »
Thanks all for the suggestions, at least I have a few narrowed down possibilities. 

I think the enumerator must have been tired and his pen running out of ink (the entries below and on additional pages all have dark ink, so suppose he topped it up after writing up my lot, though the spelling is all very questionable throughout these pages).  Just my luck  Grin

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